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The clocks of Charles Alvah Smith

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Thought I would begin to post some of the clocks in my collection made by Charles Alvah Smith, a 20th century maker of wood-movement timepieces (and yes, maybe a clock or 2). I think it's pretty obvious why his timepieces certainly deserve a place on the MB when one considers the words of the immortal Ward Francillon in his foreward to John M. Anderson's Charles Alvah Smith: Vermont maker of Unusual Wood Clocks:

"Indeed, Charles A. Smith of Brattleboro, Vermont...produced in volume a wall timepiece at least equal to, or possibly better than, the products of the historically recognized [wood-movement] makers who worked between 1745 and 1845...Smith's design, handcrafting and manufactering methods are as interesting and worth studying as the techniques of the earlier makers."

Finally, I think Ward got to the heart of it when he also wrote:

"...Smith's [timepieces] are considered treasures by those fortunate to have one...To be a custodian for a little while of a Smith timepiece is to recognize him as a legitimate member of the company of American
clockmakers."

Smith was quite the interesting character. The most complete reference about his life and work so far is the NAWCC monograph by Anderson which is referred to above. Much more information can be found there. Just too much to cover here. He was also the subject of a Bulletin article accessible to members by clicking here . Some additional information about Smith can also be found in Allen H. Eaton's book Handicrafts of New England, pages 266-7.

Mr. Smith appears to have had a competitor, a Mr. Gately. For more about him, see a Bulletin article by our own Peter Nunes by clicking here . Interesting story, a maker worth knowing about, his clocks are rarer, but in this instance, I don't believe rarity trumps beauty.

The general picture that emerges is of Mr. Smith is of a fine craftsman engaged in a number of hobbies who was meticulous about just about everything from his work, dress (he wore a 3 piece suit, shirt and tie to hunt wood chucks!), work habits, and record keeping. Well, he kinda had OCD I think.

Smith produced about 614 timepieces from 1931 or 1932 to 1945 the year he succumbed to a stroke. The bulk of his production was during the years of WW II when metal for household clocks and the factories which produced them were diverted to producing products for the war effort. Smith numbered and dated his timepieces and kept a record of the disposition of most of them, ie, sold or traded or given as a gift, etc. There are 12 clocks the fate of which is not recorded. Watch for a future posting which will solve the mystery of at least one of those 12.

Timepiece number one was believed to have been produced in late 1931 or early 1932. His time piece production (and his wood chuck assassination rate) per year is show graphically on page 12 of Anderson. 1/2 of Smith's total production was made between 1943-5.

No two timepieces are exactly alike, especially his earlier production. His later war years production does achieve a certain amount of standarization and uniformity.

The first clock posted is an example of his early production, possibly within the first 1-2 years. This clock bears his rubber stamp signature and is number 16 and is dated "Mar.1933". For comparisons, please see Anderson, pages 28-30 the the figures therein which discusses timepieces # 8 and 9 and pages 33-6 and the figures therein which discusses clocks # 22 and 24. These references provide for a nice "bracketing" of our clock #16.

The style of this clock is the #2 style. The case is bird's eye maple with walnut string inlay. The bonnet does not have raised side panels as is found with the early timepieces reported in Anderson. The finial pin to secure the bonnet is much simpler than that used on later models. The pull-up handle is turned, long, and slender unlike the later shorter inlaid ones. The pendulum is not inlaid, has an flat acorn drop at the end of the stick, and the bob is held in position by a friction mechanism rather then a regulating nut as on later models. The weight has a birds eye maple and walnut string inlaid faceted outer case. The case front is not glazed to protect the dial as in later models. The dial is cardboard (supposedly from the laundry which washed his shirts) nailed to a wood board. It is not decorated as were some of Smith's early dials nor with a spirographic decoration as were the later ones. The hands appear to be ebony and of an earlier style.

The clock mounts on a beveled block that is first attached level to the wall. it is not quite the same form as found on the earlier clocks, but may be original.

Note the red painted wheels and other highlights of the movement and movement plates. This too is characteristic of his earlier models. Sometimes green paint was used. Note the "swiss cheese" wheels. I suspect the weight cord is "renewed".

I hope this stimulates others to post their CAS clocks as well as compare them.

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Thanks for posting this clock RM.Interesting clock, even the pendulum bob is wood as well.And all hardwood used.:)
 

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I just noticed the bob looks to be brass.
 

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Veritas: thanks for your kind comment. You were correct, the bob is wood as well.

Jerome collector: ain't that something! Same thing seen in the movements of other early clocks shown in Anderson.

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Jerome collector: ain't that something! Same thing seen in the movements of other early clocks shown in Anderson.

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Not having read anything about CAS (seems to be a deficiency in my horological education), does your statement mean that the all-wood lantern pinions were only used in his early clocks? If so, what did he use in his later clocks?
 

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Not having read anything about CAS (seems to be a deficiency in my horological education), does your statement mean that the all-wood lantern pinions were only used in his early clocks? If so, what did he use in his later clocks?
Mike,

It appears that CAS started using leaf pinions as time went on. Again looking through Anderson, it appears that by the time he got to clocks numbered in the 40's, that's what he was using. None of the clocks pictured with those #'s or higher appear to have his all wood latern pinions. I guess it would make sense from an ease of production point of view. Probably took a bit of time and wasn't easy to make those all wood latern pinions. Left more time for woodchuck hunting?

Would love to hear from other CAS timepiece owners what they opinion is on this.

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Thanks for starting this thread, Bob. Here is one of the two I have here, #225, made in March, 1939. I've included a scattershot selection of pictures, just to give some idea of the utilitarian beauty of C.A.S. timepieces. This example is made of redwood- the other I have is walnut. I've seen them in probable butternut, and cherry- over the 15 years or so that I've been aware of Mr. Smith and his interesting story. Maple may be the most common, but I'm not sure. Other woods were probably used too- Bob? I've included one picture of the top of the case, and the little wooden knob and pin that secure the bonnet to the case. I think it nicely illustrates the effort Smith put into his cases. The knob is turned and chip carved. He seemed to vary details from timepiece to timepiece, so no two are quite alike. During his later production, many look very much alike, but still, little details are different.

Mr. Smith's family owned a toy company in Brattleboro, and the Estey Organ Company is nearby. Mr. Anderson points out in his book that Smith probably scrounged ebony for his hands from the Estey company, as they used a lot of it for the black keys on their organ keyboards. The movement plates I've seen are all high grade plywood, birch, I think.

Note that this example has a pinwheel escape wheel- these turned out to be problematic. The verge depthing can be adjusted with the screw that can be seen on the inside bottom of the movement.
 

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If Smith's work interests you, I would highly recommend getting a copy of John M. Anderson's book, referenced by R.M. They were published by NAWCC, so are long out of print, but there are still new copies for sale at the NAWCC bookstore in Columbia (last I checked) and also from the American Clock & Watch Museum, in Bristol, Connecticut ([FONT=&quot]www.ClockandWatchMuseum.org[/FONT]). The ACWM has an interesting example, which I will try to remember to photograph next time I am there.

Here is a picture of the probably original wall bracket from the Redwood timepiece posted above. I like the spring-loaded side! Very simple, very ingenious.
 

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Thanks for starting this thread, Bob. Here is one of the two I have here, #225, made in March, 1939. I've included a scattershot selection of pictures, just to give some idea of the utilitarian beauty of C.A.S. timepieces. This example is made of redwood- the other I have is walnut. I've seen them in probable butternut, and cherry- over the 15 years or so that I've been aware of Mr. Smith and his interesting story. Maple may be the most common, but I'm not sure. Other woods were probably used too- Bob? I've included one picture of the top of the case, and the little wooden knob and pin that secure the bonnet to the case. I think it nicely illustrates the effort Smith put into his cases. The knob is turned and chip carved. He seemed to vary details from timepiece to timepiece, so no two are quite alike. During his later production, many look very much alike, but still, little details are different.

Mr. Smith's family owned a toy company in Brattleboro, and the Estey Organ Company is nearby. Mr. Anderson points out in his book that Smith probably scrounged ebony for his hands from the Estey company, as they used a lot of it for the black keys on their organ keyboards. The movement plates I've seen are all high grade plywood, birch, I think.

Note that this example has a pinwheel escape wheel- these turned out to be problematic. The verge depthing can be adjusted with the screw that can be seen on the inside bottom of the movement.
Thanks Peter.

Datsa nice one!

I agree with what you say. There was some standardization of form and the fundamentals later on, but never were his time pieces quite identifical. That's typical of something hand made I guess.

Re: the woods for cases, it seems that CAS used a lot of figured maple (tiger and birds eye) along with redwood (not uncommon), walnut. I'm sure others as well depending upon what he could get. He also mixed woods and inlaid his cases with a contrasting wood (as with your timepiece) or a checkered pattern. Note in how carefully he chose and laid out the grain of the redwood for the case of your timepiece. And this is a guy using what he could find. Clearly a true craftsman who understood the materials he worked with and did his best with what was available to him.

Your clock also reminds me of the variations in how he signed his clocks. Some are done entirely by hand, others, like the one I posted, are a rubber stamp with the date and clock number by hand. The information provided by the rubber stamp varies as well. Anderson has a section covering this in more detail.

Also note the shorter inlaid pull up handle, the inlaid pendulum bob which uses a nut for adjustment. These would become standard features he adopted for his later production.

Regarding Mike's question about the all-wood latern pinions. There are none in the movement of your clock as he went to leaf pinions by what appears to be the clocks numbered in the 40's. Probably much easier to make the leaf pinions.

My clock has a pin wheel escapement too.

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The timepiece pictured has its original pull-up rope, which unfortunately broke about a year ago. Luckily I had the timepiece mounted over a waste basket, so the weight fell into a cushion of softness. My other example has its original rope too, but the weight is hung from a modern replacement, made by a fellow in southern California. He figured out a way to reproduce, almost exactly, the ferrules and hooks Smith used. Unfortunately, he was struck by a car several years ago, and apparently was somewhat derailed, and is now incommunicado. He was a wonderful craftsman.
 

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Already posted are 2 timepieces by Charles Alvah Smith. The first, timepiece #16 made in 1933, within the first 1-2 years of his production. The second, timepiece # 225 made in 1939, demonstrates many of the features that would be carried over into his last but most prolific period, 1943-45, when 1/2 of all the timepieces were produced. This burst of production was fueled by WW II when demand for his clocks rose as the materials and factories which made consumer clocks were diverted to the war effort. The demand for his clocks was further stimulated when he and his clockmaking were featured in a Saturday Evening Post article in 1944.

Posted below is timepiece # 400, dated October 1, 1943, the first year of his ramped up and the final phase of his production. This clock also has an interesting provenance and some interesting features.

I believe the case is cherry. The front of the removable hood is embellished with checkerboard inlay and is retained by a decoratively turned knurled peg. Note that this hood also has glazed sidelights. The back board is line inlaid with what I believe to be walnut. Present are a star inlaid pendulum with rating nut, faceted wood covered weight, and shorter inlaid pull-up which characterizes his later production. The dial is his typical cardboard on wood with spirographic decoration. The hands are also typical of his later production, being made from maple. Note the rubber stamp signature with the pencilled in date and timepiece number. The original retaining block also bears his rubber stamp signature.

The movement has the interesting features of a wood escapement with brass rollers, what appear to be brass bushings, and there is a cut out in the back movement plate to allow for expansion and contraction. These features can be found in other later production timepieces as well.

Of note, Anderson reports on page 11 of this monograph that there are 12 timepieces not recorded in CAS's records, one of them being # 400. He speculates that there "is a chance they were stillborn, due perhaps to errors or accidental damage." Well, here it is, alive and kicking.

CAS was known to have given some of his timepieces as gifts. Note the inscription on the reverse of the timepiece's back board. This was given to a Mr. and Mrs. Warren Butler on November 8, 1943. See pages 62-3 of Anderson. A Floyd Butler was CAS's woodchuck hunting buddy. Warren was his son. Anderson includes a reminiscence of CAS's visit to the Butler home from Warren and his wife, Marie, the recipients of this clock. Neat connection, I thought.

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Today I’m posting the third and final CAS creation in my collection. I believe it to be quite rare, possibly unique, based upon the information provided in Anderson and the anecdotal experience of myself and others.

The removable glazed hood has a broken arch top flanked by 2 finials. It is retained by the typical turned knurled peg. Note how pieces of wonderfully figured birds eye and tiger maple were used and carefully chosen for the hood and the bracket upon which the movement and hood rest with a contrasting redwood back board. And this guy was using scraps and bits and pieces of what he could get his hands on! This case is not inlaid.

The dial is the typical cardboard on wood. Instead of spirographic decoration, this dial has floral transfers or cut outs glued to the spandrels. As far as I know, this particular decorative treatment is unique. On some of his early timepieces, free-hand watercolor floral spandrel decoration was used, but was soon abandoned. See Anderson, page 25, figure 31. Also note that CAS signed the dial of my clock in ink, albeit now a bit faded. I believe this too may be unique. The hands are the older style ebony ones.

The pendulum is typical of his later production with a star inlaid bob and a double rating nut. As in earlier clocks, the pull-ups are not inlaid. They are like those on later timepieces being shorter and thicker. The wooden weight cases are made of sections of maple but note they are not faceted nor are they inlaid. Different.

The clock is signed and numbered in the usual fashion. It is # 265 and was made February, 1940.

Note the original mounting block is not just signed with one of the versions of CAS' rubber stamps, but numbered as well. I'm not aware that he did this with other clocks.

Hold on. Pull-ups,weights? Why are there two of each? Because this clock is not the virtually always found timepiece by CAS. It is a clock, telling time and having an hourly strike. I’ve posted a number of pictures of the movement which I believe to be beautifully made. Note the care with which CAS even made the bell stand. Also see how the fan is cut out to clear a gear, what appears to be to be a rack & snail strike, and an all metal escape wheel with a rather thin metal strip metal verge.

CAS did make a time and strike tall case movement. Please see Anderson, pages 40-42 for more details and pictures. A case apparently was never made for it. It was used as a wag on the wall. It is said to be the only time and strike time keeper made by CAS. Obviously not so. And it is quite different than my clock which was clearly meant to be a smaller wall clock.

Go back and look at the first posting in this thread for a picture of CAS at his work bench. The picture originally appeared in the Saturday Evening Post in 1944. Now look what’s sitting on his work bench. This clock? Another? True, he made this one in 1940, the picture was probably taken in 1943 or 1944. However, sometimes clocks stayed in his possession for years, as did the above tall case movement.

I’ve posted as many pictures as I could. I even have pictures of the beautifully made original packing crate which came with the clock. I exceeded the picture limit for one entry, so I have another for additional ones. Would love to have others post examples with the goal of expanding Anderson’s work. This might be facilitated by a stickie at the top of the thread??

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#422 is a fairly typical example with a case of figured maple. The clock is dated Dec 1943. I will try to post something a little more interesting this weekend.
Peter, did your friend have a source for the cord? I have been unable to find anything even close.

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Well, that was a little frustrating. Does anyone know what the actual limitations are for image size? I poked around a bit and saw all sorts of "approximates" and "abouts" without any clear cut answers. Or does this information not show up when posting with the quick reply?
 

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As promised, something a little more interesting…

#323 (July 1942) is one of those missing numbers mentioned in Anderson’s book. I had some small hope of getting a little more detailed background info on the clock but this is now unlikely. This clock has a redwood case and an unusual movement configuration. I had entertained thoughts of a longer duration but it appears to be 30 hour clock. In fact, the wheels appear identical to those in the clock posted above. When I get a little more time I will disassemble both clocks and do a detailed comparison.

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Thanks so much for posting this amazing probably unique CAS timepiece!

The rather patriotic tablet, a 48 star American flag, would seem quite appropriate for the time. The US was barely 1/2 way through the first year of WW II. I don't know if it had anything to do with it, but 6/4-6/7/42, a still very diminished USN Pacific Fleet against all odds won the extremely important Battle of Midway. My understanding is it broke the back of a very superior Japanese Imperial Fleet and also to my understanding is it was seen as revenge for Pearl Harbor.

By the way, what is the tablet? A print applied to the back of a glass??

The broken arch crest and finials are like those on my clock. CAS is known to have used templates.

The movement is wonderful. To my eyes, looks like CAS created a "ladder" movement?

Thanks again for posting this. Has it every been published elsewhere?

RM

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Thanks so much for posting this amazing probably unique CAS timepiece!

The rather patriotic tablet, a 48 star American flag, would seem quite appropriate for the time. The US was barely 1/2 way through the first year of WW II. I don't know if it had anything to do with it, but 6/4-6/7/42, a still very diminished USN Pacific Fleet against all odds won the extremely important Battle of Midway. My understanding is it broke the back of a very superior Japanese Imperial Fleet and also to my understanding is it was seen as revenge for Pearl Harbor.

By the way, what is the tablet? A print applied to the back of a glass??

The broken arch crest and finials are like those on my clock. CAS is known to have used templates.

The movement is wonderful. To my eyes, looks like CAS created a "ladder" movement?

Thanks again for posting this. Has it every been published elsewhere?

RM
Sorry to quote myself. It occurred to me that the other event that occurred in the first 6 months of the war which really bouyed the Amercan spirit and sense of patriotism was Doolittle's Raid on Tokyo 4/18/42.

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I had wondered if the clock had been a presentation piece but the lack of inscription was not helpful. The inscription on your #400 only makes this theory seem more unlikely.

The tablet is paper, I'm attaching a photo of the reverse side. My best guess is that it is patriotic Christmas wrapping paper. Things were still pretty desperate in Dec 42.

As far as I know the clock has not been published elsewhere. I'm hoping to find a few answers to some of my questions and submit a brief write up to the Cog Journal. Unfortunately the number of questions is greatly outpacing the answers. I guess the mystery is half the fun.

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I had wondered if the clock had been a presentation piece but the lack of inscription was not helpful. The inscription on your #400 only makes this theory seem more unlikely.

The tablet is paper, I'm attaching a photo of the reverse side. My best guess is that it is patriotic Christmas wrapping paper. Things were still pretty desperate in Dec 42.

As far as I know the clock has not been published elsewhere. I'm hoping to find a few answers to some of my questions and submit a brief write up to the Cog Journal. Unfortunately the number of questions is greatly outpacing the answers. I guess the mystery is half the fun.

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Thanks for posting the additional information.

Interesting. Not sure about the patriotic wrapping paper idea, though. Think how wrapping paper is just hastily ripped off a package and how respectful people were of the American flag in those days. Even images of the flag were used very carefully. Don't think they would have used that image to be basically ripped apart like that. I wonder if what's there on the reverse is a wrapping paper used as a decorative backing to a flag print? That CAS was always thinking. Wanted to make sure it looked nice even when you opened the door and exposed the back of the glass.

I've been considering a brief write up of the striking CAS clock for the Cog Counters, but have never gotten around to it. Another clock don't believe many people knew about before it was sold at public auction and possibly still not widely known. However, not sure if sufficient interest.

Postings like yours do demonstrate the wonderful potential of the MB to widely disseminate never before seen information. Great potential to inform if and when well use.

Thanks for sharing.

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C. A. Smith double ball pendulum timepiece...

While at the annual meeting of the American Clock & Watch Museum today I took a few pictures of the Smith double pendulum clock in the collection there. I am tempted to call this a compound pendulum, but I don't think that is strictly the case. The museum description is a little lacking- they've misspelled "Estey", and I think they have the total number of Smith's production wrong. The mahogany timepiece case is about the same size as the other conventional ones shown earlier in this thread. I suspect the only difference is the design of the pendulum. An interesting variant.
 

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Re: C. A. Smith double ball pendulum timepiece...

While at the annual meeting of the American Clock & Watch Museum today I took a few pictures of the Smith double pendulum clock in the collection there. I am tempted to call this a compound pendulum, but I don't think that is strictly the case. The museum description is a little lacking- they've misspelled "Estey", and I think they have the total number of Smith's production wrong. The mahogany timepiece case is about the same size as the other conventional ones shown earlier in this thread. I suspect the only difference is the design of the pendulum. An interesting variant.
Peter,

Thanks for providing pictures of the ACWM's CAS timepiece. This same one is described and shown in Anderson's monograph, pages 38-40 and the figures therein. There's also a picture of the movement. Of note the dial of this clock is a replacement.

The case is interesting in that the front edge f the hood is bevelled which is echoed in the front edge of the backboard. However the pull up, weight, lack of hood glazing are consistent with CAS's early production.

Doesn't anyone fact check and proof read the exhibit labels??

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Re: C. A. Smith double ball pendulum timepiece...

I can picture the movement being either a crown wheel or pinwheel, activated by the rocking action of the pendulum. Somewhat similar to a newer wooden works clock I am working on now, with the buckets at the top swinging back and forth, advancing a pinwheel. Am I close??
 

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Re: C. A. Smith double ball pendulum timepiece...

I can picture the movement being either a crown wheel or pinwheel, activated by the rocking action of the pendulum. Somewhat similar to a newer wooden works clock I am working on now, with the buckets at the top swinging back and forth, advancing a pinwheel. Am I close??
Bob, thanks for pointing out that this timepiece is well written up in John Anderson's book.

This timepiece is #37, made in November, 1933, according to John Anderson's book (which I can't recommend highly enough!) It has a pinwheel and verge escapement, pretty much the same as shown earlier in this thread, in clocks #16 (Markowitz), and #225 (Nunes). #265 (Markowitz) features a normal looking steel escape wheel. Smith apparently started out with pinwheel and verge escapements, and at some point switched to wood escape wheels acting on verges with roller pinions (see #323, Livingston). I'm not sure just when this happened (Bob, do you know?). The use of a steel escape wheel in #265 makes me wonder if that was a short lived transitional development- I hadn't seen one before Troy posted those pictures. The two ball "compound " pendulum clock is set up just the same way, and with a pinwheel and verge- according to the book, the period of this pendulum is about 2.34 seconds for the rocking of the pendulum from one extreme to the other. A normal pendulum rod and bob could be installed, as the verge and escape wheel are the same as in the other timepieces. According to Anderson again, the pendulum would be about 54" long.

This double ball pendulum is regulated by screwing the lower turned piece, which raises or lowers the whole ball-arm assembly on the pendulum rod, which is mounted as most of Smith's are, with a little knife-edge arrangement.
 
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Re: C. A. Smith double ball pendulum timepiece...

Regarding the replaced shirt-cardboard dial on this example (#37), I'm not surprised. When removing the sliding bonnets on these little timepieces, it is extremely important to be vigilant and careful about the dials. I once watch a ham handed feller remove one at an auction, and as he pulled it off past the dial, it grabbed the edge of the cardboard and, well, more or less broke it. The corner stayed hanging on, but was permanently creased. He slunk (slank?) away as I silently fumed.
 

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Re: C. A. Smith double ball pendulum timepiece...

Bob, thanks for pointing out that this timepiece is well written up in John Anderson's book.

This timepiece is #37, made in November, 1933, according to John Anderson's book (which I can't recommend highly enough!) It has a pinwheel and verge escapement, pretty much the same as shown earlier in this thread, in clocks #16 (Markowitz), and #225 (Nunes). #265 (Livingston) features a normal looking steel escape wheel. Smith apparently started out with pinwheel and verge escapements, and at some point switched to wood escape wheels acting on verges with roller pinions. I'm not sure just when this happened (Bob, do you know?). The use of a steel escape wheel in #265 makes me wonder if that was a short lived transitional development- I hadn't seen one before Troy posted those pictures. The two ball "compound " pendulum clock is set up just the same way, and with a pinwheel and verge- according to the book, the period of this pendulum is about 2.34 seconds for the rocking of the pendulum from one extreme to the other. A normal pendulum rod and bob could be installed, as the verge and escape wheel are the same as in the other timepieces. According to Anderson again, the pendulum would be about 54" long.

This double ball pendulum is regulated by screwing the lower turned piece, which raises or lowers the whole ball-arm assembly on the pendulum rod, which is mounted as most of Smith's are, with a little knife-edge arrangement.
Just a wee correction and comment.

# 265 is actually my clock (time and strike wall clock).

Not sure exactly when the transition happened. CAS's production became "standardized", if that term can ever truly be applied to his clocks, during the war years. My anecdotal experience is that clocks from this period seem to all have that verge with rolling pinions and a wood escape wheel. But it's not like I've seen either in person or in print that many.

See Anderson, pages 50-53 and the figures therein. He discusses the characteristics of the "typical timepiece in the later production" which is for clocks numbered from about 300, give or take, and beyond. So we're talking about 1/2 of CAS's life time production. The wood escape wheel and roller verge are included amongst the "typical" movement features.

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Re: C. A. Smith double ball pendulum timepiece...

Just a wee correction and comment.

# 265 is actually my clock (time and strike wall clock).

Not sure exactly when the transition happened. CAS's production became "standardized", if that term can ever truly be applied to his clocks, during the war years. My anecdotal experience is that clocks from this period seem to all have that verge with rolling pinions and a wood escape wheel. But it's not like I've seen either in person or in print that many.

See Anderson, pages 50-53 and the figures therein. He discusses the characteristics of the "typical timepiece in the later production" which is for clocks numbered from about 300, give or take, and beyond. So we're talking about 1/2 of CAS's life time production. The wood escape wheel and roller verge are included amongst the "typical" movement features.

RM
Thanks, Bob. I've made the correction.
 

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This is a fascinating bunch of clocks. I've been aware of CAS clocks for many years, but since they weren't old, and I wasn't too attracted to the few examples I had seen, I wasn't too interested in them. Now that I've actually seen more of them, and several variations, I'm quite intrigued. I especially like Bill B's version the best. The case style and proportions are wonderful. My second favourite is Troy's #422.

I do have a few images in my files of other CAS clocks, but since they aren't MY photos, and the message board is too strict regarding its copyright rules, I can't repost them here.

I can say that one of the ones I found (with a quick search on my PC) shows an example nearly identical to Troy's #422, but in clear maple (no bird's eye) with the same inlay banding, rectangular case, two bottom brackets (with finials), and one top finial. The wood has a pleasant peach colour to it. If you care to go search for it, I believe it may have been one of the ones sold through Cottone Auctions in NY (though you will need to sift through thousands of photos to find it). There is no number given, and no additional info to go with the clock.

One other thing I'm curious about is the wall mounting bracket. I see that it's a friction fit, but is that all that holds the clock in place? Is there a pin, or a taper at the top, or is it just a snug fit? I don't get how the clock stays in place.
 

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Sooth,

When I was just getting started on my wood works clock addiction I saw a CAS clock in an antique shop and thought "that's nice but I'm really interested in the old ones…" and left the clock priced at $100 behind. For the most part, regrets are rarely for the stuff you buy but more for those items you miss.

The mounting block is a form of French cleat and holds the clock securely, the tabs on the edge of the block do help to provide a snug fit, but this is more to keep the clock from shifting on the block.

Troy
 
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When I was just getting started on my wood works clock addiction I saw a CAS clock in an antique shop and thought "that's nice but I'm really interested in the old ones…" and left the clock priced at $100 behind. For the most part, regrets are rarely for the stuff you buy but more for those items you miss.

The mounting block is a form of French cleat and holds the clock securely, the tabs on the edge of the block do help to provide a snug fit, but this is more to keep the clock from shifting on the block.

Troy
Right, there is an angle cut into the top of the bracket that matches one on the case, so as the timepiece is lowered onto the bracket it is drawn back against the wall.
 
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I have recently come into possession of cas #575 may 1945.

I am not a clock enthusiest... Yet.

My great uncle DV Edwards, known to me as Uncle vic, lived in springfield vermont repaired and collected clocks. Looking back to when i was a boy i would say he was more than a casual hobbiest. He had clocks displayed throughout his house and his basement shop resembled that in the photo of charles smith.

Written in pencil on the back of the clock says it was given to DV Edwards by the original owner Mark C LaFountain, Christmass 1966.

Uncle vic passed away sometime in the 1980s i think and my dad ended up with the clock. Dad passed a couple of years ago and his wife gave the clock to me last yr after having the rope replaced on the weights. I am thrilled to have it and just as thrilled to be able to trace its ownership back to the man who made it. I have also ordered the book by John M Anderson and should have it in a few days. DSC02334.jpg DSC02333.jpg DSC02338.jpg DSC02339.jpg DSC02335.jpg
 

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I have recently come into possession of cas #575 may 1945.

I am not a clock enthusiest... Yet.

My great uncle DV Edwards, known to me as Uncle vic, lived in springfield vermont repaired and collected clocks. Looking back to when i was a boy i would say he was more than a casual hobbiest. He had clocks displayed throughout his house and his basement shop resembled that in the photo of charles smith.

Written in pencil on the back of the clock says it was given to DV Edwards by the original owner Mark C LaFountain, Christmass 1966.

Uncle vic passed away sometime in the 1980s i think and my dad ended up with the clock. Dad passed a couple of years ago and his wife gave the clock to me last yr after having the rope replaced on the weights. I am thrilled to have it and just as thrilled to be able to trace its ownership back to the man who made it. I have also ordered the book by John M Anderson and should have it in a few days. 230488.jpg 230489.jpg 230490.jpg 230491.jpg 230492.jpg
Very nice example of what would be considered his "production" model if there was every truly such a thing as each time piece is different.

The bulk of his production occurred during WWII. 1/2 of it occurred between 1942-45. At that time, clock factories were diverted to producing things for the war effort. Metals were also diverted to the war effort. So people just couldn't get clocks for home use. After a Saturday Evening Post article appeared about him, he became swamped with orders for his clocks. This lead to a certain degree of standardization in that period. IMHO, quality and attention to detail never faltered.

His total output was about 614 clocks. Yours is amongst the last he produced in the last year of his life. He would succumb to a stroke in 1945.

Thanks for sharing and enjoy your wonder bit of Americana!

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I thought that I would post a recently acquired CAS clock. It's been a while.

It's constructed from curly maple, one of my favorite woods:

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Note the simple line inlay on the hood.

Here are the pendulum, pull up and cased weight:

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Here's the dial and hands:

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Note the spirograph decoration around the central opening. The cardboard used for the dials reportedly came from the laundry that did his shirts. The hands are typical of this period of CAS' production. They were supposedly made using ebony scraps from the Estey Organ Co. The ebony would have been used for the "black" keys.

Here's the movement:

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Note the typical rubber stamp signature and date of the clock. This clock was typical of his war time production. It was also the period of the bulk of his production. During this time his production became somewhat standardized as he tried to keep up with the increased demand for his wonderful clocks. During WWII, most of the production of America's clock factories was diverted to the production of products needed for the armed forces. So, people wanted his clocks.

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Note the die stamped serial number.

CAS' clocks mounted to the wall using a block. This one retains its original one:

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Note it too is signed as it should be.

For more information, please see the earlier posts on this thread and Anderson's monograph about his clocks which I refer previously on this thread.

Though not a new thread, I thought I would include some superfluidity that shares with this clock that spirit of American folk art wood working.

The first is a table with a folk art marquetry game board top:

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I have previously posted other examples of folk marquetry including a shelf clock. Look around the MB. Sorry, but I really admire this stuff. I believe that this table started life as a respectable 1/4 sawn oak table and someone went to town with the top. Note the border of miniature game boards.

To complement it, here's a folk marquetry table top cabinet with drawer of tiger maple and walnut:

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The sides of the cabinet are also made like the door. All separate pieces put together.

Neither piece is signed!

Here's a link to a write up I did for the Collector's Weekly website about the table and cabinet:

More folk marquetry/parquetry | Collectors Weekly

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I just found and registered for this forum. I have number 419 dated Dec. 1943 as well as a typed and signed letter from Mr. Smith to my grandfather telling him the clock was shipped and with instructions as to how to mount and operate it. My father inherited it and kept it mounted on the wall in his den until he downsized and tried to sell it at a garage sale. Thankfully I saw it there and took it. I can't speak for my grandfather but neither my father nor myself have ever been able to get it to run for more than a few seconds. We're in the process of moving and it was while taking it off the wall that I realized it was numbered and dated and no doubt had some real value over and above being a family heirloom. I'm looking forward to finding an appropriate place to mount it once we get into the new house.
 
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They definitely have value even in today's rather goofy market. High 3 figures or sometimes lower 4 figures asking/selling prices. I have only ever owned one or two and would be glad to find another.
 
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I had no idea the clock might be worth that much and appreciate you're telling me so. It's the only thing I have that was my grandfathers and have no intention of selling it. It's good to know it has real monetary value when it comes to having it packed and moved.
 

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Wow! I didn't expect that much. It's still not for sale but is good to know.
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I just found and registered for this forum. I have number 419 dated Dec. 1943 as well as a typed and signed letter from Mr. Smith to my grandfather telling him the clock was shipped and with instructions as to how to mount and operate it. My father inherited it and kept it mounted on the wall in his den until he downsized and tried to sell it at a garage sale. Thankfully I saw it there and took it. I can't speak for my grandfather but neither my father nor myself have ever been able to get it to run for more than a few seconds. We're in the process of moving and it was while taking it off the wall that I realized it was numbered and dated and no doubt had some real value over and above being a family heirloom. I'm looking forward to finding an appropriate place to mount it once we get into the new house.
Welcome!

Lots of info about Mr. Smith on this thread, a quirky but obviously talented and skilled VT'er.

Some wonderful examples of his work also posted here, including the only known (so far) time and strike model.

Do take a look.

PLEASE POST PICTURES OF YOUR CLOCK!!!

Based upon the # and date, one of his "war time" clocks. The bulk of his production was during the years of WW II when the materials and factories for clocks were diverted to the war effort. People couldn't buy clocks for domestic use. His wooden works clocks, which used little metal, were very much in demand.

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I have a couple of Charles Smith clocks that I picked up over the years, also a child's rocking horse from S.A. Smith Mfg. The first one is #18. It is pictured in John Anderson's book on Smith. The next one is #88 in Birdseye maple, and the 3rd one is a walnut one. I don't remember the number at this time. I have an extremely large one that I will get out and picture. I have a neat story with it as well.

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I have a couple of Charles Smith clocks. That I picked up over the years also a child's rocking house from S.A. Smith Mfg. The first one is #18. It is pictured in John Anderson's book on Smith. The next one is #88 in Birdseye maple. and the 3 rd one is a walnut one. I don't remember the number at this time. I have an extremely large one that I will get out and picture. I have a neat story with it as well.

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Wonderful clocks.

Was S.A. Smith related to C.A. Smith?

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Charles Smith made at least one woodworks tower clock – a small one now owned by the American Clock & Watch Museum. When I found out about it a number of years ago, I was told that it wasn't on display because it was missing its motion works and pendulum. I agreed to make those parts so they loaned it to me. Unfortunately, a wheel count showed that it required an 80" pendulum and the museum realized if mounted on a wall it would be too high for most visitors to see the movement, so I returned it. But before I did, I had a friend make measured CAD drawings of each part but at twice normal size as my plans were to build a 2x reproduction to hang on my wall – with modifications to the escapement so it would run on a one meter pendulum. I've been extremely slow to work on the repro as I have no spare time! But I have made the frame and winding drum.

The movement is a corded pull-up and the winding drum ratchet wheel engages with four clicks. Here are some images of the original clock:

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From the photos in Post #32. What is the purpose of the brass screw shown at the end of the green arrow?
I ask because I have purchased a clock that has the same structure as Mr. Brown's; however, I see no function for the screw.

Yes, I will be posting photos of this clock and asking for your comments. I cannot find any signature on this clock; however, in light pencil there is #12 in 3 places.

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From the photos in Post #32. What is the purpose of the brass screw shown at the end of the green arrow?
I ask because I have purchased a clock that has the same structure as Mr. Brown's; however, I see no function for the screw.

Yes, I will be posting photos of this clock and asking for your comments. I cannot find any signature on this clock; however, in light pencil there is #12 in 3 places.


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The pallet assembly (Red Arrow) is mounted on a steel pin projecting forward from the back plate.
The brass screw serves as a stop to keep the assembly from moving forward and helps to keep the escape wheel centered on the pallets (brass rollers). If your clock was running then this never needs to be adjusted.

The signature, movement number, and date are probably on the back of the dial near the edge. Look in the narrow slot between the front plate and dial on both sides of the clock. Sometimes the movement number is also stamped on the back of the back plate. Looking forward to seeing photos of your clock.

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