The Ball "Rotator Second" 12s Gentlemans watch

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A few years back I really thought that the Rotating Seconds, or AKA Secometer watches
were really (really really) cool. It seemed to me back then that the 12s White Gold-Filled Ball Watch Company
Rotator Second in factory case with numbers on the bezel
was the Holy Grail of them all (at least in my own mind) and they are hard to find(and buy).
"Carry a Ball --and Time Them All".

Over time, I bought a Hamilton example and have owned a Waltham and others including a
dollar watch with rotating seconds. But I have wanted a Ball Watch Co.
"Rotator Second" watch for the past 5 years with the numbers on the bezel.
I have only seen photos of maybe 5-7 of them at most
in total. They are from a run of 8,000 movements all with different
dial styles and configurations. It really is unclear how
many of these in particular "Rotator Second" with Luminous Dots at the hour and Luminous hands
were made. Whatever the amount, there are very few around (for sale)
and very few photographed on the internet. There is the new Swiss Ball example
but not the original (but very nice too). As I said I have seen less than 10.

I don't have too many serial numbers for them.
B402366
B406695
B407076(parts)
B407444
B407950
B407994

We have three posted with images by members on the NAWCC Forum, and two others
(without photos) who say they have (or had) 1 or 2 of them.
I am very sure these Ball "Rotator Second" watches
are also in a bunch of other collections as well. I would call
them Scarce. I have also done a thorough search for them on the
internet as well, and I haven't found too much else.

I did find this great advertisement but can't post the image
because I do not have permission.

"Carry a Ball --and Time Them All
The 12 size Ball Watch is a 19-jewel thin model,

cased and timed at factory. The movements
are fitted in beautiful 14k White Gold-filled
cases of exclusive designs. The Ball Watch is a
thin model 19 jewel adjusted 3 position nickel
movement damaskeened plates, gold top center
wheel, steel escape, double roller, concave polished
winding wheels and recoil click. Dial has
"Rotator Second" and Luminous Dots at the
hour and watch has Luminous Hands."



I do know the hands are replacements :)


Circa 1926 12s 19j Ball "Rotator Second" Circular Finish Pattern
**Illinois made



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and did I say it's 19j :)




Rob
 
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Sorry I forgot to say, if you have one (or more) of these Ball
Rotator Second watches with numbers on bezel, please post a
photo or two and let me know the serial numbers if they are not
in the list above.

Thanks!
Rob
 
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As a novelty they are a very nice homage to the original, but this thread is not
for them.


Rob
 

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Sadly, I have parts of an incomplete B407076. The seconds disc is missing so I've never bothered to try to make it complete. I think it came to me with some other stuff from a watchmaker's estate in about 96. The partial tag attached is his, dated 77, it says "not worth [repair]" and I get the feeling it was already incomplete in 77.
 
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Sadly, I have parts of an incomplete B407076. The seconds disc is missing so I've never bothered to try to make it complete. I think it came to me with some other stuff from a watchmaker's estate in about 96. The partial tag attached is his, dated 77, it says "not worth [repair]" and I get the feeling it was already incomplete in 77.
 

Jim Carroll

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A few years back I really thought that the Rotating Seconds, or AKA Secometer watches
were really (really really) cool. It seemed to me back then that the 12s White Gold-Filled Ball Watch Company
Rotator Second in factory case with numbers on the bezel
was the Holy Grail of them all (at least in my own mind) and they are hard to find(and buy).
"Carry a Ball --and Time Them All".

Over time, I bought a Hamilton example and have owned a Waltham and others including a
dollar watch with rotating seconds. But I have wanted a Ball Watch Co.
"Rotator Second" watch for the past 5 years with the numbers on the bezel.
I have only seen photos of maybe 5-7 of them at most
in total. They are from a run of 8,000 movements all with different
dial styles and configurations. It really is unclear how
many of these in particular "Rotator Second" with Luminous Dots at the hour and Luminous hands
were made. Whatever the amount, there are very few around (for sale)
and very few photographed on the internet. There is the new Swiss Ball example
but not the original (but very nice too). As I said I have seen less than 10.

I don't have too many serial numbers for them.
B406695
B407076(parts)
B407444
B407950
B407994

We have three posted with images by members on the NAWCC Forum, and two others
(without photos) who say they have (or had) 1 or 2 of them.
I am very sure these Ball "Rotator Second" watches
are also in a bunch of other collections as well. I would call
them Scarce. I have also done a thorough search for them on the
internet as well, and I haven't found too much else.

I did find this great advertisement but can't post the
because I do not have permission.

"Carry a Ball --and Time Them All
The 12 size Ball Watch is a 19-jewel thin model,

cased and timed at factory. The movements
are fitted in beautiful 14k White Gold-filled
cases of exclusive designs. The Ball Watch is a
thin model 19 jewel adjusted 3 position nickel
movement damaskeened plates, gold top center
wheel, steel escape, double roller, concave polished
winding wheels and recoil click. Dial has
"Rotator Second" and Luminous Dots at the
hour and watch has Luminous Hands."



I do know the hands are replacements :)


Circa 1926 12s 19j Ball "Rotator Second" Circular Finish Pattern
**Illinois made



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and did I say it's 19j :)




Rob
 
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Jim Carroll

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I have a little information on the Ball size 12’s, I have collected 161 serial numbers. You will notice most of the serial numbers you have for the rotor second dials they come in the last 2,000 of the run of 8,000. Here are the serial numbers I have with rotor second dials and bezels.
B402366
B403995
B405435
B406338
B407193
B407262
B407352
B407504
B407556
B407624
B407625
B407636
B407687
B407692
B407726
B407728
B407735
B407739
B407735
B407749
B407818
B407820
B407994

Jim
 

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Jim,

Thanks

Still not too many that are known.


Rob
 

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