Tezuka poppo rolling eye dog clock

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I was given this clock disassembled in a box. I was wondering if anyone was familiar with the proper way to assemble the connecting wires to get the eyes to roll again. I am hung-up on one connection. The intermediate wire from the clock to the wires that drive the eyes back and forth. Any help appreciated, thanks.


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There were several ways. Post a pic of the movement for us.
 

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Poppy Hairspring.JPG I haven't seen a motion eye clock with a hairspring movement like yours. I suspect it has been replaced, but lets wait for more opinions. I rotated one of your pics for easier viewing.
 

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First question: how do I rotate the images to get them upright?
Second question: I am stuck on how to connect the intermediate wire assembly; from the eyes to the movement.
By the way, it all looks original.

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If your pix are on a laptop or PC there should somewhere on the file page, be a provision for rotating pix. It will be an arched arrow often. Select the picture, click on the arrow - VOILA!
 

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If there is someone out there that can do it for me, until I get the hang of it ,I would appreciate it, thanks.

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Try right clicking on the image. The rotation option should show up. I don't see any way to connect the eye movement to a hair spring movement. It almost requires a pendulum to drive the eye movement. I've seen lots of Poppo's, and never saw one with a hair spring movement.
 

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Thanks for the replies guys. I will try to get a picture of the movement and the pallet area. There is a wire that is attached to the pallet assembly, that I believe drives the eyes. I hope that i am making myself clear.

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Yeah, a picture would help a lot. Certainly, it's possible to move the eyes from a hairspring escapement if it's geared for it.
 

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I'm back. I have some more pics to put up, showing what I am trying to explain verbally. Any questions, please ask. Imported Photos 00000.JPG Imported Photos 00001.JPG Imported Photos 00002.JPG Imported Photos 00003.JPG Imported Photos 00004.JPG Don't ask how they came out upright, I don't know.
I would have thought this type of clock would be so common, that I would have no trouble getting it running .

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Hmmm. The side to side motion you need seems to be coming from the spring attached to the anchor. That somehow has to attach to that center wire at the eyes. I can't figure out what the other wires are for, unless to regulate the movement some how to smooth it out. I agree now that the movement is designed for the clock, but I've never encountered one like it. Pendulum clocks hook up similarly though, using the pallet rocking to connect to the eyes either with one wire or two.
 

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I'd think it works on some kind of kick or something. It can't
be hard tied to the lever arm or it would swing back an forth too
fast.
Here is mu guess.
The pin on the escapements lever arm goes in the loop.
The wire from the eye linkage goes between the two loose
links on the basket looking end.
Give that a try and see if it does what is needed.
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The part that is bugging me is the top of the intermediate wire that has those movable wires as part of the assembly, pic #2 and pic#3 shows them. I can't figure out how they attach to the wire that comes down from the eyes, to make them move. You would think that this would be straight forward hookup.

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I found a pic of one of their "Owl Clocks"' on ebay. I am sending it along. The hookup is not exactly the same , but it does show that wire with the movable pieces,I think. Tell me what you members think.

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The part that is bugging me is the top of the intermediate wire that has those movable wires as part of the assembly, pic #2 and pic#3 shows them. I can't figure out how they attach to the wire that comes down from the eyes, to make them move. You would think that this would be straight forward hookup.

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It can't be a solid connection like the other has. The
balance wheel runs too fast.
Try connecting it like I said.
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I agree with Tinker. It has to be geared down some way, and his 'kick' idea has merit.
 

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Tinker, I will give your suggestion a try. Will let you know how it works out. I'm hoping it works. I wonder when they went from pendulum driven eyes to a hairspring driven eyes configuration?

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I have not tried the recommendation yet, but will.
Have a question, are these clocks so not collectible or are there just not that many around; that no one is familiar with the mechanism involved?

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I've had several of them, all with pendulums. They sell, but not well. More of a kids room novelty, and the modern child can't have any distracting noises or scary eyes watching them while they're sleeping!
 

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I am wondering if the ones using the hairspring are of a latter manufacture, or if both systems where used,pendulum or hairspring, depending on what was being depicted, Owl or Dog. And was it still in the time period of "occupied Japan".

I will try Tinkers suggestion this weekend.

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Hi

I tried Tinkers idea, and it worked. The clock is running and the eyes are moving side to side. I thought that there would just be too much resistance to keep the pallet fork moving; wrong. Here are a couple of pics to show the proper hookup of the intermediate wire assembly. Thanks for the help guys.


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Great! That one was a puzzler! :)
 

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These clocks should sell fairly well as most of them were made and stamped "Occupied Japan"! If you enlarge the photo of the owl clock movement above--the "Made in Occupied Japan" can readily be seen stamped into the movement.
 

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Again, thanks to everyone who gave me an opinion on the clock. My grandson saw the finished clock running and asked me if he could have it. My answer, yes. He is four years old, and he likes my clocks.

I will likely be back with a question on another clock that needs help. Yard sales are a great place to find them, in these parts, and I hate to pass them up, while I am looking for PW's.

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I hope this helps. I received this from a grade school friend, who received it as a gift from her father when hewas in the Air Force in Japan in the 1950’s. I tried a video, but it wouldn’t load.

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I hope this helps. I received this from a grade school friend, who received it as a gift from her father when hewas in the Air Force in Japan in the 1950’s. I tried a video, but it wouldn’t load.

Welcome to the board.

It was kind of you to post you message, but since the last post in this thread was more than 5 years ago and the original enquirer had solved his problem and got his clock working, he may not see your post.

I hope you will enjoy your membership of NAWCC and continue to post.

JTD
 

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Hey GDavis. Welcome to the board.

I have difficulty understanding why they created the box wire section. It makes no sense.
I understand the eyes go back and forth andthere is slack so eyeball randomly goes crosseyed.
The box wire portion also appears to have an adjustment bar. Your thoughts?



I hope this helps. I received this from a grade school friend, who received it as a gift from her father when hewas in the Air Force in Japan in the 1950’s. I tried a video, but it wouldn’t load.

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The whole thing would have finely balanced, any excessive drag will just stop the clock, the eyeballs are linked with a single wire with another wire going into the cage,the pivoting wire below is flicked left and right by the pallets which in turn flicks the cage.

There cannot be any hard linkages anywhere like you find in the pendulum versions outside the clock will not run, ideally the linkages will only engage once the pallets unlock and are moving under impulse.
 

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Can anyone recommend a source for the actual eyes for these and Mi Ken clocks?
I have several that are blown-out in the rear.
 

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I have used fast food sandwich wrap from Burger King, McDonald etc. to patch holes. With a paint brush or finger saturate one side of patch with white glue. Use mouth-air to puff out patch to be round. Let dry then paint.
 

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Hello I am looking for HELP !! I bought a Tezuka Poppo Owl clock with moving eyes as a present for my cousin who had always wanted one. The clock is now driving me nuts as I can`t get the eyes to move as they should . The pendulum arm seems not to travel enough resulting in the eyes vibrating quickly with a defying stare when excess pressure is put on the weight chain. The clock appears to work fine until the eyes are connected I have uploaded a picture any help would be very welcome

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The loop om top of the wire that engages the eyes, coming from the escapement, seems to be too wide. Therefore, most of the movement is lost. It needs to be just a little bit wider than the wire inside.

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Hello I am looking for HELP !! I bought a Tezuka Poppo Owl clock with moving eyes as a present for my cousin who had always wanted one. The clock is now driving me nuts as I can`t get the eyes to move as they should . The pendulum arm seems not to travel enough resulting in the eyes vibrating quickly with a defying stare when excess pressure is put on the weight chain. The clock appears to work fine until the eyes are connected I have uploaded a picture any help would be very welcome

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The loop om top of the wire that engages the eyes, coming from the escapement, seems to be too wide. Therefore, most of the movement is lost. It needs to be just a little bit wider than the wire inside.

Uhralt
Thank you for your reply . I shall try your suggestion and let you know if it works . Many thanks
 

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Does anyone know of a source for the actual eyeballs for these clocks? I have a few that are broken or breaking.
 

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First question: how do I rotate the images to get them upright?
Second question: I am stuck on how to connect the intermediate wire assembly; from the eyes to the movement.
By the way, it all looks original.

leghorn
i think it is original - i got one exactly the same. am hoping to learn how to assemble it right
 

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i think it is original - i got one exactly the same. am hoping to learn how to assemble it right

Welcome to the board.

You don't say exactly what problem you are facing but have you looked carefully at all the preceding posts? Particularly the photos in post 28, which may give you what you are looking for.

If not, please do explain in more detail what you need and I am sure there will be help forthcoming.

JTD
 

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Welcome to the board.

You don't say exactly what problem you are facing but have you looked carefully at all the preceding posts? Particularly the photos in post 28, which may give you what you are looking for.

If not, please do explain in more detail what you need and I am sure there will be help forthcoming.

JTD
Hi JTD yes thx. post 28 was exactly what i needed. i was having problems making the eyes work - because i couldn't understand the mechanism. Now i know how it should be assembled - although why it has the 'box' with the 'sliding arms' is still a mystery.............. ?? also i was fascinated to find out about tezuka as well as the info about 'occupied japan' (lol).
 

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Hi JTD yes thx. post 28 was exactly what i needed. i was having problems making the eyes work - because i couldn't understand the mechanism. Now i know how it should be assembled - although why it has the 'box' with the 'sliding arms' is still a mystery.............. ?? also i was fascinated to find out about tezuka as well as the info about 'occupied japan' (lol).
thanks one and all,
she's a goer !!
following pics on this thread, i assembled the mechanism and with a little adjustment the eyes were sweeping wider than i thought possible. yahaay.
my clock-boss said i should get rid of some friction in the eye-pivots. i'd read how delicate (and rare) the eyeballs are, so v v nervously i moved the left one up. i struck lucky - it moved easily, giving clearance on the cast ally bracket.
the right eyeball was a tad more difficult, and i wedged a blade in to move it. this move evened up the clearance between the eyes and the wooden eye socket of the front face. yaay
i think initially the problem may have been that when the clock was last wound up the mechanism moved in the woodwork. this makes setting-up the eye mech tricky. about half a degree error on the mech and it's a no go. same story with the single-screw intermediate pivot bracket.
with this in mind i fixed the mech to the wooden faceplate, with three discreet splots of glue. ok ok i know - don't hit me !!
i will post another couple of vids. they are currently too large
 

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View attachment 168664 I haven't seen a motion eye clock with a hairspring movement like yours. I suspect it has been replaced, but lets wait for more opinions. I rotated one of your pics for easier viewing.
don't know if this is too late, no date?
that stuff is original, but not correctly assembled.
take great care with the wire bits, and do NOT bend anything unless you are sure.
 

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It looks good! Congrats!
 

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thanks one and all,
she's a goer !!
following pics on this thread, i assembled the mechanism and with a little adjustment the eyes were sweeping wider than i thought possible. yahaay.
my clock-boss said i should get rid of some friction in the eye-pivots. i'd read how delicate (and rare) the eyeballs are, so v v nervously i moved the left one up. i struck lucky - it moved easily, giving clearance on the cast ally bracket.
the right eyeball was a tad more difficult, and i wedged a blade in to move it. this move evened up the clearance between the eyes and the wooden eye socket of the front face. yaay
i think initially the problem may have been that when the clock was last wound up the mechanism moved in the woodwork. this makes setting-up the eye mech tricky. about half a degree error on the mech and it's a no go. same story with the single-screw intermediate pivot bracket.
with this in mind i fixed the mech to the wooden faceplate, with three discreet splots of glue. ok ok i know - don't hit me !!
i will post another couple of vids. they are currently too large
later................
View attachment top rear tezuka dog mech short version.mp4
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It looks good! Congrats!
Thanks. it actually looks even better now - i removed decades of dust with furniture polish on a paintbrush - then gave it some elbow grease with a cloth.
then, to finish off i carefully scraped the light coating of rust from the chrome-plated front ring (around the dial). et voila !!
 

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