TEACLOCKS or ANYone BUCO problem

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  1. Scottie-TX

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    I addressed TEACLOCKS specifically because I know he had one of these four years ago posted in, "Post Your Anno Foliot etc. . . . " on page seven, post 97,
    Others out there certainly also have one of these and to those I appeal;
    On reassembly I find the wheel in front of ratchet can move forward and detach from ratchet wheel and I am amiss as to what is to prevent this - to hold the wheel snug against the ratchet. Thank you ANYone who can offer some counsel.
     

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    #2 leeinv66, Sep 24, 2013
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    I've never had one of these, but I would have a different view of the problem. I'd say it is the ratchet wheel that isn't on the arbor far enough, rather than the wheel moving too far. But, I haven't got my glasses on, so I could be barking up the wrong tree:glasses: How is the ratchet assembly held on?
     
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    #3 Scottie-TX, Sep 24, 2013
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    THANK you Pee-Tah;
    Well you certainly pose a valid question.
    Reminds me of many years ago when I played with cars. It annoyed me that the front bumper was not perfectly horizontal. I was stumped. I shared with my bud', Harvey. I told him I was perplexed: "The bumper isn't horizontal and the high side is at it's limit of movement. I can't lower it any further. He offered, "Did you try raising the other side?"
    . . . . and the flat spot on my forehead got a little flatter.
    But back to the clock; The ratchet is of course free to turn on the arbor and it's rear limit is the rear movement plate so it is free to move forward limited by the wheel in front and the plate behind.
    Now on these clocks I always dismantle VERY carefully, collecting all washers, locations, and tape to a card with I.D. location. This one was difficult. As I dismantled, washers seemed to fall at random and I could only guess from where. However I doubt this is a washer deal as gap between wheel and ratchet is quite large and probably not one closed with six washers.
     
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    Why I am thinking the way I am is where the pinon on the back of that arbor sits in the two picturers you posted. In the first, the pinion looks to be in line with its mating wheel. But, in the secon picture, it looks to be off centre with the wheel. That makes me think the arbor is floating too far to the right, Do you see what I mean?
     
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    No spare parts? It would appear that a spacer would take care of the problem. Any chance the wheel is turned over? I can't see the back side :)
     
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    Thanks DC for the sleuth work and GREAT results. I'll study that pik and see if I can glean something from it.
    Ironic; Ironic that I was helping him get his running then and now I am asking him - and - and y'alls - to get mine running.
     
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    #8 Scottie-TX, Sep 24, 2013
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    Explain further please. I'm dense. The arbor doesn't move. It is planted to back plate and there is flush to rear of plate.
    O.K. A little later as I edit. TEACLOCKS' won't help as his ropewheel has a different config. Maybe an improvement over this one.
    I am now beginning to think that at least two and maybe even three of those unidentified washer go behind the ratchet as there is no other way to keep those two wheels intimate than limiting travel of both.
     
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    Can you provide a photo of the side showing all of the gears between the plates?

    Dick
     
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    That was the point of my post regarding extra parts. I had missed it in your previous post, but your conclusion above seems reasonable, and I'd bet on that solving the dilemma.
     
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    Sure thing DICK; Here 'tis
    Yeah I certainly understand my thinking but with these liddle fellers ya throws out most of the rules. Often one part is controlled or limited by another part and if it's mate is not installed it doesn't look right until it is. So I'm always on the lookout for the unusual or different with these. In this case tho I do think this narrows down to three washers unaccounted. Thanks for support.
     

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    As you say the arbor doesn't move, I will put it down to a trick of the light in your pictures. That pinion on the other end of the arbor sure looks like it is in a different position in each picture though:glasses: But yes, limiting the movement of the ratchet with a few washers would fix your problem. Or, as I have seen in some other versions with wooden arbors and a very similar ratchet assembly, they hold the ratchet in place with a pin through the arbor.
     
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    Yeah I also am familiar with the pinned ratchets but in this case think it simply boils down to proximity - limiting movement of ratchet and wheel.
     
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    Does the arbor with the ratchet wheel have a bushing insert
    on the right side?
    If so, might it be practical to push the bush to the left
    a little to limit the travel of the arbor?
    Tinker Dwight
     
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    I understand your thinking but, no; Arbor is fixed to the back plate and slide fit at front for assembly. It's forward travel is limited by the wheel in front of it. I will move washers today and see what that leaves me. I am VERY optimistic about this plan. The gap behind the ratchet is ~ .120.
     
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    Ok, I think I get it. The wheel slides on the arbor. The arbor
    is not moving.
    Is there a place for the washers on the right side of the
    wheel or on the left of the ratchet?
    Tinker Dwight
     
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    Left side; Between ratchet wheel and rear plate.
    . . . . which is where I put them and after viewing finished result have only a few thou of space which LOOKs about purrfek. I believe I'm home now. This does look right. THANKS ALL!
     
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    Sorry,Sorry,Sorry
    I only have 3 of these as you can see.
    I think leeinv66 may be right.




    Anno Foliot 004.jpg Anno Foliot 001.jpg Anno Foliot 002.jpg Anno Foliot 003.jpg
     
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    Thanx TEA! Thanks but alas as I learned earlier altho our clocks are identical in appearance and the same model - your ropewheel is midway between plates and mine is fully rearward so comparisons there cannot be made. I DO think I got it right tho but again;
    THANKS!
     
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    VOILA! Thanx to ALL who contributed and offered help and suggestions. Seems relocation of two washers was the key. On the stand - had to extend it TWO feet to accomodate that pendulum - is running PURRfectly. Thanks all!
     

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    Fun clock! Now to get it to strike the hour :whistle:
    Tinker Dwight
     
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    You have to get it close enough to TELL the hour first! :)
     
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    I like BUCO's wags but can't really call these fun. For me that's a stretch.
     

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