Swiss Gold Hallmark?

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  1. Omexa

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    Hi, I am not really good at Hallmarks; English I can scrape through, but this Bell? on a Swiss Case has me stumped? I am not sure if the Case is Plated-Rolled Gold or what. The Case is worn on the back but not showing Brass? Regards Ray

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    Hi Ray, Try Looking at the Liberty Bell or Liberty hat, I think the case is American. Allan

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    #3 Omexa, Dec 5, 2019
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    Ray, sure looks American.

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    Ray - unless you have some compelling evidence I don't believe the case was made by Tye & Kilmer.

    They were highly regarded silversmiths and their items have a strong collector following. Working in the Jewellery Quarter, if it is gold as you suspect, the chance of it 'escaping' without a full set of hallmarks is most unlikely. Here is a snip of their registered mark - it is set in a cartouche, not incuse.

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    The partnership was dissolved in October 1829 ...

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    To my knowledge they never made watch cases and I haven't found any gold work.

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    #6 Omexa, Dec 5, 2019
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    Hi Keith, have a look at the T & K in the Case it has a Swiss movement in it; but who knows it may be an American Case with T & K in it. The movement still runs very nicely, I got the Pocket Watch from a very nice elderly English Lady (Josie Williams) who had an Antique Shop in Townsville Australia about 25 Years ago. She was very rich and lived in a very large elevated house on Castle Hill; a very upmarket area. She had divorced her Husband and did not get on with him so she sold me all his Pocket Watches in a pillow slip for AU$60.00. Regards Ray
     
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    Hi John, your information sinks my Birmingham idea. Regards Ray
     
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    Ray, if you track down the jboger threads, he has gold cased key wind with same crown.
    From the front or back, they appear to be pair cased, looking at just the crown. Open it and
    one discovers a gold consular case. They were made ca 1840, in New York and Philly (Bell).

    Nice find!

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    Thanks Keith. Regards Ray
     
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