Swiss alarm winders

[Darrmann39]

I have this little Swiss alarm clock I restored. Nice little clock. But it's missing its winding pieces. As you will see in pics the alarm winds counter clockwise and the time clockwise. Both pieces are missing. The alarm piece would have had 2 little pegs on bottom that goes into little holes on winding mechanism that turns left. The other probably isn't much different from other winding piece. Just curious if others might have a pic of what the 2 pieces might look like so I can make them. I have ideas but seeing the real thing is so much better

 

[shutterbug]

You might find something in an assortment like this one, but it's always a crap shoot.

 

[Darrmann39]

You might find something in an assortment like this one, but it's always a crap shoot.

Yes for the time. But I'm sure I'll have to make something for the alarm which sets beneath

 

[roughbarked]

I'd like to see better photos. The photos you have shown don't get to the nub of the issue.The assortment of winding keys shutterbug posted. Yes some of them may fit some clocks but none of them will fit this clock.
Clocks that have a winding key that winds in both directions cannot have a simple screw thread as naturally it would be unwinding in one of the directions.
Most such clocks have both a square for the key and a retaining screw to ensure that it stays there.

 

[Darrmann39]

I have this little Swiss alarm clock I restored. Nice little clock. But it's missing its winding pieces. As you will see in pics the alarm winds counter clockwise and the time clockwise. Both pieces are missing. The alarm piece would have had 2 little pegs on bottom that goes into little holes on winding mechanism that turns left. The other probably isn't much different from other winding piece. Just curious if others might have a pic of what the 2 pieces might look like so I can make them. I have ideas but seeing the real thing is so much better

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I'll try . As you will see time is a thread going clockwise. The alarm is wound beneath the back plate with those 2 little empty squares being what something would have to have little pegs on bottom of winder to go into of you get what I'm saying. That goes counter clockwise

 

[roughbarked]

So basically there is a double key of some kind?
I am a little confused about the click arrangement. Can you work out how the ratchet can fuction with opposite clicks. I'd need more or clearer photos of this. Does the plate with the squares and clicks stay that way? or could one square hold one click out of the way and the other drop in going in the opposite direction. This is a setup that I can't recall seeing before.

 

[Darrmann39]

So basically there is a double key of some kind?

Yes here's what I envision. It's kinda crude as I'm no artist or architect but I think you can see what I'm trying to get at with my drawing

 

[roughbarked]

Yes I can grasp that much. Is there another ratchet wheel somewhere?

 

[Darrmann39]

Yes I can grasp that much. Is there another ratchet wheel somewhere?

Yes the ratchet arms are different height so they don't interfere with each other pic 5 in original post

 

[Darrmann39]

Yes I can grasp that much. Is there another ratchet wheel somewhere?

Here you go

 

[roughbarked]

OK. That's an odd one. It is still confusing that the ratchet teeth go the same way yet the clicks are opposite.
I can visualise the threaded key holds a key/knob that has the square pins for the holes. That's not difficult.
The clicks being opposite works with two winders going opposite but the ratchets seem both to be pointing the one way.

 

[Darrmann39]

OK. That's an odd one. It is still confusing that the ratchet teeth go the same way yet the clicks are opposite.
I can visualise the threaded key holds a key/knob that has the square pins for the holes. That's not difficult.
The clicks being opposite works with two winders going opposite but the ratchets seem both to be pointing the one way.

Yea that got me to. The ratchets going the same way. But I showed in video it does go opposite

 

[roughbarked]

If they come off separately, then it is likely someone else put one on upside down.

 

[Darrmann39]

If they come off separately, then it is likely someone else put one on upside down.

It's working exactly as it should. It clicks and and winds and holds both ways . I showed you the video of it clicking. At this point it's all together and working both ways so I'm not going to take apart to really see what's happening under there.

 

[Darrmann39]

OK. That's an odd one. It is still confusing that the ratchet teeth go the same way yet the clicks are opposite.
I can visualise the threaded key holds a key/knob that has the square pins for the holes. That's not difficult.
The clicks being opposite works with two winders going opposite but the ratchets seem both to be pointing the one way.

Here's what I came up with. The bottom lift up handle and turns left the top knob turns right

 

[JTD]

Here's what I came up with. The bottom lift up handle and turns left the top knob turns right

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Great solution to the problem, and very neatly done. Congrats!

JTD

 

[Darrmann39]

Great solution to the problem, and very neatly done. Congrats!

JTD

Thanks