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Since so many of you liked my Dueber-cased Model 72, I just wound up my other Model 72, which is in a 14k Pforzheimer, Keller & Co. case.
Today a recent addition while running errands. This is its maiden voyage to see how it runs.
Thanks to Henry Burgell's list on Ch.149 site, circa 1890 Hampden M2, Gr 43, 18S, 17J, lever set, one of estimated 3600.
PL Montgomery Ward in a Premier case with cool steam engine up on a stone bridge.
Happy hunting!
Thanks to Henry Burgell's list on Ch.149 site, circa 1890 Hampden M2, Gr 43, 18S, 17J, lever set, one of estimated 3600.
PL Montgomery Ward in a Premier case with cool steam engine up on a stone bridge.
Happy hunting!
Getting ready for Sunday Hunting.........
18s (Marked 925/1000 fine Leader by Keystone) case 1887 PL grade 33 Elgin
I think this will also be my daily carry for a while too.
Rob
18s (Marked 925/1000 fine Leader by Keystone) case 1887 PL grade 33 Elgin
I think this will also be my daily carry for a while too.
Rob
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I stopped carrying my watches quite a few years ago, but I did just wind up this uncommon circa 1865 18k & enamel Browne & Spaulding-cased Model 1860 Appleton Tracy "Vibrator". Waltham used the vibrating hairspring, also known as the Fogg's Stud, on up to about 700 watches:
- Perhaps up to 90 20-size AWCOs.
- Perhaps up to 100 16-size AWCOs.
- Perhaps up to 250 20-size Appleton Tracys.
- Perhaps up to 250 16-size Appleton Tracys.
I just put this one in my pocket today and realized "Hey, ... it's Sunday!"
The movement is a Waltham 14-size 7-jewel Bond St. from 1887. The front cover is the same but with initials and date (1888) in the shield.
The movement is a Waltham 14-size 7-jewel Bond St. from 1887. The front cover is the same but with initials and date (1888) in the shield.
Took this one out for a ride in the vest today ...
Circa July 1872, American Watch model 1870, grade Crescent St., 18S, 15J, HC, SW, LS, in a G. W. Ladd case.
Happy hunting!
Circa July 1872, American Watch model 1870, grade Crescent St., 18S, 15J, HC, SW, LS, in a G. W. Ladd case.
Happy hunting!
Although I've posted this hunter in two other threads in recent months, I'm re-posting it here since it's Sunday and I have a question relating to this movement. The S.N. shows that it has 16 jewels. I saw another thread where Jerry Treiman had replied with a similar watch, but I can't find that thread. (I may PM him) At any rate, does anyone know why this would have 16 jewels? Does it have a capstone on the center wheel? A mistake in the ledgers?
Thanks and happy hunting!
Kenny
P.S. I promise I'll post something new next Sunday,
Thanks and happy hunting!
Kenny
P.S. I promise I'll post something new next Sunday,
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I am going to join in as I have one in my jeans coin pocket now.
Circa 1897 Waltham Riverside 6s 17J total production 3080 Pendant set Model 1890.
Rob
Circa 1897 Waltham Riverside 6s 17J total production 3080 Pendant set Model 1890.
Rob
I am cheating a bit, because I don't really carry my pocket watches any more, but I just wound up this 19-jewel Model 1888 American Watch Co. grade hunter. This watch was made around 1891. It is in a heavy 18k Waltham-signed case that weighs about 68 grams without the movement. The movement is #5,000,143. Model 1888 AWCOs are fairly uncommon, especially the 17-jewel and 21-jewel versions. I don't know how many 19-jewel versions were made. If you know, I'd be grateful if you posted the open-face and hunter production numbers.
The NAWCC serial number lookup says the watch came from a 17-jewel run. That this watch was up-jeweled is not its only quirk. I consulted with Jerry about this watch's more significant quirk, that the serial number on the pillar plate X,X00,030 does not match the number on the bridge. Normally, this would mean that the watch was a post-manufacture conglomeration of parts from different watches. In this case, Jerry told me that he thinks it is either an original combination or the result of a factory repair. He told me that the pillar plate most likely came from the 5,500,001-5,502,000 run of 15-jewel Riversides. The modifications needed to make that plate suitable for a 19-jewel AWCO are so substantial, including refinishing the visible side of the pillar plate up to AWCO standards, that he thought that only the factory would have made them.
Doing a fast search in the database that Kent Singer & I maintain I found the following marked American Watch Co. grade, there might be more that I missed:
5,000,110, 157, 225 and 570; 19 J, H/C
7,000,567, 585; 19 J O/F
There were different jewel counts in between, and all numbers are subject to errors, either in the original listing or by us.
5,000,110, 157, 225 and 570; 19 J, H/C
7,000,567, 585; 19 J O/F
There were different jewel counts in between, and all numbers are subject to errors, either in the original listing or by us.
I tend to wear pocket watches daily in the Fall and Winter, today I wore this 16 size Elgin, with a very nice personalized dial. The original owner, Glenn D. Holmes, was born in 1873, and eventually became a city engineer for Syracuse NY. Perhaps Glenn received it from his dad Joseph for his 25th birthday - his father was a noted inventor, and the civil engineer for Batavia NY.
Today I drove about southern New Hampshire, visiting antique stores. It was nice to get out and see some new scenery. Found a very nice 18 size Elgin movement with decorated dial, now I just need a SW, LS hunter case to go with it. The search should be fun.
Today I drove about southern New Hampshire, visiting antique stores. It was nice to get out and see some new scenery. Found a very nice 18 size Elgin movement with decorated dial, now I just need a SW, LS hunter case to go with it. The search should be fun.
I was hoping someone would reply to my message #62 giving production numbers for the different versions of the AWCO Model 1888. I tried to find that information on the NAWCC Waltham serial number database, but couldn't find it (perhaps because I didn't look for it properly). In going through my notes I see that some years ago I read or was told that total hunter and open face production was 500 19js, up to 100 21js. and less than 100 17js. If any of you have more detailed or better information, I hope you will post it.
I found a 20-year old printout of a database query that (I believe) Tom McIntyre may have pulled together. It showed about 2,000 OF 19j movements and about 600 Htg 19j movements. The records were not entirely correct and there were some 21j movements produced which were listed as 19j and hunting movements listed as OF. Listings for 17j were apparently actually 19 jewel models. Totals for 21 jewel models were approximately 109 OF and 170 Htg, but in my glance at the records I see these are often alternating with 21j Riverside Maximus movements.
I have also seen Am'n W.Co grade movements listed as American grade.
This week's Sunday carry is one of my older watches, a Waltham SN 50806. It has a simple shield decorating it's diminutive 2 ounce silver case. Along the way, someone replaced the glass crystal with a plastic one, which has yellowed with age. I figure it's part of its history, so am leaving it in place.
As promised, here is my offering this week, I wore it to mass this morning. Waltham 1908 P.S. Bartlett 16s, GF case.
I just wound up my circa 1901 Elgin Grade 243.
It's in a 14k DuBois Watch Case Co. hunter case, #135,838, also stamped B.A. & Co., for Benjamin Allen & Co., a wholesaler. The cuvette is inscribed From your wife, To your 37[SUP]th[/SUP] birthday, May 10[SUP]th[/SUP], 1904. Movement, # 9,723,970.
Grade 243 is one of I believe four grades often referred to as lace doilies because of their exuberant dasmascening. Grade 243 was among the highest grade watches Elgin then was making. Grade 243s aren't plentiful. Elgin only made 4,000.
I'd be interested in your views on two oddities relating to this watch.
One is the wording of the inscription To your 37th birthday. For not to is how I would have expect this inscription to have been written. Do you think the For is (a) an engraver's mistake, (b) an inscription ordered by someone for whom English was a second language, (c) a one-time multi-year birthday present intended to cover a period of years up to the recipient's 37th birthday, or (d) the result of something else?
The other oddities are the bracketed words Ruralness and Rurality in the ad copy below. Did Elgin use them or were they inserted by someone, e.g., Meggers, who reprinted the ad. What do they mean?
It's in a 14k DuBois Watch Case Co. hunter case, #135,838, also stamped B.A. & Co., for Benjamin Allen & Co., a wholesaler. The cuvette is inscribed From your wife, To your 37[SUP]th[/SUP] birthday, May 10[SUP]th[/SUP], 1904. Movement, # 9,723,970.
Grade 243 is one of I believe four grades often referred to as lace doilies because of their exuberant dasmascening. Grade 243 was among the highest grade watches Elgin then was making. Grade 243s aren't plentiful. Elgin only made 4,000.
I'd be interested in your views on two oddities relating to this watch.
One is the wording of the inscription To your 37th birthday. For not to is how I would have expect this inscription to have been written. Do you think the For is (a) an engraver's mistake, (b) an inscription ordered by someone for whom English was a second language, (c) a one-time multi-year birthday present intended to cover a period of years up to the recipient's 37th birthday, or (d) the result of something else?
The other oddities are the bracketed words Ruralness and Rurality in the ad copy below. Did Elgin use them or were they inserted by someone, e.g., Meggers, who reprinted the ad. What do they mean?
I'm guessing a scrivener's error. From: and To: are standard conventions for a gift label . . .
Don't have a clue about this, but note that the font is "Small Caps" which is different than the rest of the ad.
These were "telegraphic codes", unique to each model, for the jobber (or maybe the retailer?) to use in ordering movements from the factory or sales agent.
Ethan, I too believe that this is an oversight. My grandfather hand engraved jewelry and trophies for the University of Iowa athletics back in the 40's- 60's. Watching him work, he would engrave for a while and take a break to rest his hands and so forth. My guess is this engraver had done the same, and simply forgot where he was. By the time he realized his mistake, it was too late. My guess is that this wife didn't have to pay for the engraving or she got a deep discount.
Thanks for sharing yet another stunning piece from your collection. That is a beautiful watch!
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Hard not to show off this one. Weekend watch. Elgin Overland gr. 278, Dueber 20 yr case.
Happy Sunday. Snow again.... Looks like I'll be at work early.
Here's this Sunday's hunter, a 1905 Elgin Grade 190 Lord Elgin in a 14k Keystone case.
I wound up this massive coin silver Waltham hunter for today -
-- oh wait, here it is next to an 18-size Waltham.
My hunter for today is actually a 1-size --
... nicely proportioned, though, isn't it?
I very rarely carry a watch, but this Bunn just came back from the cleaner‘s, so I am letting it run a bit.... and it‘s Sunday 
Today's carry is a private label Elgin, 18 size KWKS, SN: 897182. The dial and movement note the selling jeweler, S&T Child, Philadelphia. The dial is a particularly nice double-sunk example. The front of the case is unfortunately well-worn, I'm guessing it originally represented two ducks (one floating, one flapping its wings) in a marsh, anyone else have a guess?
I am new to the watch and clock sight, have inherited several items from a relative and admire the workmanship and craftmanship of watches and clocks. I have to get up to speed on each of them so your comments and recommendations are greatly encouraged and appreciated from the perspective of a novice searching for any/all information. The hunter is a Hampden serial # 1954801 and the wadsworth pilot case # 1198627. Many thanks - Chas
I look at it as a toast, "From your Wife, To your 37th birthday"
"For your 37th birthday" is a reward or gift. From me for this.
"To your 37th birthday" is a celebration of the achievement. From me to this.
I am not an English major, so I could be off the mark, but the inscription seems normal to me.
I'm putting this 0s Elgin in my pocket today and it will be there till Sunday so this
is a pre Sunday hunting post, but it is my Sunday hunting watch for this week.
I normally carry the same 16s(g. 478) everyday so it's a nice change up..
Rob
is a pre Sunday hunting post, but it is my Sunday hunting watch for this week.
I normally carry the same 16s(g. 478) everyday so it's a nice change up..
Rob
I just happened to notice this old post of yours, Lee. Perhaps you know this already, but your movement SN 30,070 is one of the first hundred stemwind watches made by the Howard company, which makes it one of the earliest American stemwind and pendant set American watches of any kind.
I love the damaskeening on that bridge model, Ethan. You must have a case factory in your basement. All these terrific cases you seem to be able to come up with are incredible. By the way, your case is not an "AWWCo" product, it is an "AWC Co" product, which stands for American Watch Case Company. Apparently there were two case manufacturers who used that name, one a US firm and the other Canadian, whose periods of activity overlapped:
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Today's Sunday carry is a watch that just arrived from Rob Carter, who did his usual amazing repair work to get it going again. It is an early Waltham private label, SN: 555018. JF Sargent, a Mt Pleasant, Iowa jeweler. Housed in a worn 5 oz silver case, manufacturer unknown. Anyone have information on this particular jeweler, curious if his old shop building is still standing.
Mr. Fargo today. It needed a day out of the box.
I grabbed it a while back because it's an earlier one with solid balance in pretty good shape. The case is still a bit of a mystery.
I grabbed it a while back because it's an earlier one with solid balance in pretty good shape. The case is still a bit of a mystery.
I haven't ran this since 2017 so today was a good excuse to take it out.
Hamilton 18s 931 17j ser. no. 16040 which was finished Oct.16, 1895 and sold Oct. 29, 1895 to jeweler P. Brady of Sharon PA according to the Hamilton ledgers. The watch was serviced after purchase and keeps extremely good time. It came in a hinged GF case (not original) marked only "PREMIER" on the dust cover along with the case serial number. The die engraved detail is very well done and still very crisp, especially the "pointing" blood hound on the case back.
Hamilton 18s 931 17j ser. no. 16040 which was finished Oct.16, 1895 and sold Oct. 29, 1895 to jeweler P. Brady of Sharon PA according to the Hamilton ledgers. The watch was serviced after purchase and keeps extremely good time. It came in a hinged GF case (not original) marked only "PREMIER" on the dust cover along with the case serial number. The die engraved detail is very well done and still very crisp, especially the "pointing" blood hound on the case back.
Does a half-hunter count for this thread?
I noticed to my amusement some confusing differences in British/US English in this thread that I had noticed before. In UK English a vest is an undergarment worn under a shirt. Also in UK English if I was “carrying” a watch it would imply I was walking around holding it in my hands! In the UK I would wear a pocket watch in a waistcoat or occasionally in the top pocket of a jacket or in a trouser pocket. Then again in US English trousers are “pants”. We don’t consider it polite to walk around in pants -they are worn underneath trousers.
I noticed to my amusement some confusing differences in British/US English in this thread that I had noticed before. In UK English a vest is an undergarment worn under a shirt. Also in UK English if I was “carrying” a watch it would imply I was walking around holding it in my hands! In the UK I would wear a pocket watch in a waistcoat or occasionally in the top pocket of a jacket or in a trouser pocket. Then again in US English trousers are “pants”. We don’t consider it polite to walk around in pants -they are worn underneath trousers.
If you ever check into an American hotel, don't ask to be "knocked up" in the morning.
And, unless you play a lot of rugby, don't mention hookers.
I enjoy bangers, especially the Irish variety, though if they contained sulfites they would give me a headache. Interestingly, "bangers" seems to be a this-side-of-the-pond slang for a pop song with a lively beat. Being a classical music maven, that, too, would give me a headache. I'm sure.
Ah yes we certainly like bangers and mash. Incidentally, that is also sometimes used as a vulgarism for what might be found in the lavatory if someone hasn’t flushed.
Yes I have a number of half-hunters but only one full hunter. I wear my watches all the time, not just on Sundays. I have a half-hunter in mind that has been away for a major overhaul and I am hoping to get it back this week.
Out for a Sunday walk in the park with this (recently repaired) sterling Silver, half-hunter from 1899 by Payne and Co, London. There’s a thread about this watch here: https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/payne-and-co-london-half-hunter-1899.176858/
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