Stephen Van Wyck 1796 New York Verge

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  1. Keith R...

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    I took Graham's approach and turned one division counter clockwise on the Van Wyck.

    Hopefully it takes a bite, out of the +6.5 minutes.

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    She took a start and a restart and I backed the Tompion up until it was on a division, so
    far it's running a minute behind my AT&Co from 1877 (the desired affect). But it stopped
    on it's own twice, until I reset the Tompion. I will baby sit the watch until about midnight
    and hopefully it will stay running (give me my Bosley any day).

    Timing with this one tonight.

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    So I tried every trick, finally put it back in it's original outer case and removed the dust cap
    after final setting of the Tompion, it took off. So it has a dust cap issue and now running fine
    without it 18 minutes straight, 3 minutes behind the AT&Co shown.

    I'm holding my breath.

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    Hi Keith,

    The cap looks as though it's original and fits properly, but it may be distorted in some way that's not apparent from the pictures, so a close examination would be a good idea. I notice that the head of the balance cock screw has been filed down slightly so that may offer some clue.

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    Thanks Graham.............I will take it out on the deck on the table during daylight hours
    and give it a good going over.

    Oh, and yes the Van Wyck is doing good and we've knocked some time off I project,
    but I may need a second bite at the apple (maybe). I'll wait out the 24hrs.

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    Hi Keith,

    A thought: is the balance cock screw still 1/4 turn slack? if so, the cap may be pressing down on the cock somewhere and negating that little bit of extra freedom.

    Regards,

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    #57 Keith R..., Feb 8, 2019
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    Yes, but if I tighten at all, it stops cold Graham. As it stands now, run without cap and put it back on for
    shut down. Or find where it hits and remove some metal.

    I would shut it down and investigate first.

    I have the watch running now, but I had to back off of the Tompion, so it's running
    faster than before. I will have to re-zero on the Van Wyck and get it down to say
    -5 mins again (it might take more then 2 divisions going counterclockwise, but it's
    running). When it shuts down, I'll take it back down and time test again.

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    Hi Keith,

    Belay that! Leave it until you can have it investigated.

    Regards,

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    I believe the Van Wyck shall make a full run staying even with my serviced 15J Marion. Now this
    does not reflect a long term acceptance, to run it without the outer case or the dust cap.

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    I was able to place the Van Wyck back in the outer case I purchased it with and running even
    with the serviced Marion 15J key wind. I did have do run it without it's dust cover until I can
    find the pressure point on the balance cock. The Van Wyck now has it's Tompion setting running
    in all positions and final observations are in it's display case location.

    I want to thank Dave Berghold and the Last Windup for restoring this Federal period watch.

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    Today marked really the Van Wyck's first day as an accurate timing verge that can run
    in all positions. It's going to end up maintaining a -2 to -2 1/2 minutes in 24 hours, for it's
    recorded time keeping, which I think is pretty dog gone good for a 223 year old watch.

    Think of it this way, we restore these old watches to such a state, that we can carry and
    use them for their intended purpose as a time keeper. Now I don't think I could have the
    same level of confidence, if it was a 223 year old musket and I'm going hunting with my
    friends.

    Thank you once again, "The Last Windup". Montana, isn't that where the Beefalo roam?

    OK, it' final configuration is in a spare 1800 case vs the over sized 1799 hallmarked outer
    case. I have some good verges with no outer case. I even have a nice one in a pair case
    that has the key hole with a slide latch...............which I told the team, it makes me scratch
    my head about it's outer case, (make sure it's matching).

    If I don't find an outer case for the Barwise cylinder, I'll have to have a key hole slide on it's
    inner case. I had it running and timing pretty good, but it stopped on me twice. Let the old
    watch rest, until it gets a bath.

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    I wanted to put up before and after dial repairs, since The Last Wind-Up did such a good job.
    The Last Wind-Up can be located in Bozeman Montana. Photos taken with 1799 & 1800 outer
    cases. I'll make sure to do before and after on the Grant Verge as Dave also did the dial work
    on that watch, en-route home.

    *Note, I will move it back to it's 1799 outer case (shiny one).

    Keith R...

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    Add two clicks counter clockwise for the final Tompion setting (where it's at).
    Final timing @ -2.5 minute in 24hrs. Inner case hallmarked 1796 and carries
    movement number 823 in the inner case. Outer case hallmarked 1799.

    Keith R...

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