Staking Tool numbering system on the punches?

Kent Stewart

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Staking tool punches: Numbering system and those lettered prefixes on some Kendrick and Davis (K & D) punches.

I have read about a dozen or so posts on the topic of staking tool punches, but many are older and I am wondering if anyone has any recent information on the topic. A couple of the more informative threads being https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?44311-K-D-X-sized-stakes&highlight=special or https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?55030-Staking-Set-Questions or https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php...uestion&highlight=staking+set+missing+punches

I have a K & D Special 503 staking set, which I was able to determine from my copy of the 163 pg copy of Staking Tools and How to Use Them, which reprints the 1910 catalog in the front. All of my punches/stakes come marked with an S prefix before the number and they do not match up with the lists of K & D punches (without a prefix) that can be found in any of the sources of information I have found. I'm hoping to determine which pieces I might be missing from my set. Apparently there are sets of K & D punches with other prefixes out there; A, B, X, etc. Also, the Mosley (Marshall), Boley, Bergeon, and other staking sets have their own numbering sets as well for their punches and stumps. It's not standard.

Here are some informative downloads I have found through a Google search on the topic of staking tools and punches:

A conversion chart that matches punches for some of different brands file:///C:/Users/us/Downloads/Cross-over-punches.pdf

A reprint of a K & D catalog
http://cholla.mmto.org/watches/repair/manuals/KD_staking_tools.pdf

Another K & D catalog published by The Bergman Company of Omaha Nebraska
http://www.geocities.ws/dushang2000/Downloads/K&D Staking Tool Set.pdf

This website has a link for a Moseley Staking Tool manual
http://www.american-globe-tools.com/2013/12/k-and-moseley-staking-tool-manuals.html

An issue of Homological Times which focuses on staking tools
http://www.awci.com/wp-content/uploads/ht/March2012.pdf

Does anyone have any additional information which may be useful? Particularly of the mysterious Kendrick and Davis "S" punches?
 

Kent Stewart

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Kent,


If by chance (or hard work?!) you do come across some information on the K&D "S" punches, I would appreciate the opportunity to add it to the references section of kanddinverto.weebly.com


Thanks and best of luck in your search!


Tom
 

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Tom, I certainly will. I enjoyed discovering the kanddinverto.weebly.com website today and for a moment, I thought I might have made the breakthrough discovery on your site! You sure have compiled an impressive amount info on the Inverto staking tools.
 

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Oops! Let me look it up again...

Try this link: file:///C:/Users/us/Downloads/Cross-over-punches%20(1).pdf

If that does not work, go to this link and scroll down to conversation post #36 and click on the pdf link you find there: : http://www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/777-my-first-staking-set-advice/page-2

Oh, wow! I just found these sites with lots more info about K & D staking toolswhile seaching:

http://www.american-globe-tools.com/
http://kanddinverto.weebly.com/
To bad the Hamilton service bulletins link is broken on the Globe link.
 

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Howdy! I’d like to revive this thread, if I may. I recently purchased a lot of watchmaker tools, and there are several staking sets in it. There was a broken box with what seemed like random stakes/punches, but after going through and organizing them, I can tell that they are a complete Boley set. I’ve found the K&D book on staking, but seems like the links above for the conversion table among brands no longer works. Does someone still have a conversion chart so that I might be able to match these Boley stakes to K&D? Thanks.
 

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One very useful hint I got from Archie Perkins. Line up your round-faced hollow punches next to their corresponding flat-faced hollow punch. So that you have them by size in two columns paired. Not all round-faced in one section and all flat-faced in another.

This makes it very convenient when finding a pair for riveting a staff.

Karl, if you can explain it in English better, please do.

BTW Karl, I had my prostate removed Monday PM and was home less than 20 hours after the surgeon placed the final suture! I remember watching my friends go through Hell 30 years ago. Things have really changed! Even did some work Wednesday and have been working every day since. Just gotta drag my tail behind me for another couple days.

Folks, GET SCREENED and do NOT be a weenie even about colonoscopies! (which I think are fun because of the sedation)
 

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... I had my prostate removed Monday PM and was home less than 20 hours after the surgeon placed the final suture! I remember watching my friends go through Hell 30 years ago. Things have really changed! Even did some work Wednesday and have been working every day since. Just gotta drag my tail behind me for another couple days.

Folks, GET SCREENED and do NOT be a weenie even about colonoscopies! (which I think are fun because of the sedation)
Mine's coming out in September.
I decided to do a clinical trial because I shattered some foot bones and didn't want to be recovering from prostate surgery while on crutches and having to navigate stairs.
My first colonoscopy was done under twilight sedation. I got to watch the whole thing but, don't remember some of it.
 

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I'm not sure who hosts this, but Google offers up:
https://www.tadelstein.com/Cross-over-punches.pdf

EDIT: it looks like it's Tom Adelstein's site. I don't know who, if anyone owns the document.
I own the document and it's share and share alike.
I'm not sure who hosts this, but Google offers up:
https://www.tadelstein.com/Cross-over-punches.pdf

EDIT: it looks like it's Tom Adelstein's site. I don't know who, if anyone owns the document.
It's my work product and it's offered as share and share alike.
 

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It looks like a worthwhile list. Thank you for your efforts, and sharing it with the watch world. Cheers.
It's my pleasure. I used to buy and sell staking sets primarily from estates and jewelry stores that had shut down. I wound up with a plethora of punches. Someone had to sort them out. I found some information at the Texas Institute of Jewelry and Horology, some at Boley and some in books especially those available from K&D. The big book helped.

Download it if you wish. It's 100 plus years old and in the public domain. Here's the link.

Staking Tools and How to Use Them 1910 - 163p BW - S.pdf (tadelstein.com)

Every watch collector should have it. It explains so much!
 
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Thanks, Tom Adelstein. I have the hard copy but not the pdf. The PDF will probably come in handy. Cheers.
 
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