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bikerclockguy

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I’ve found myself in the lead with a $35 bid in a local online auction on what I am now certain is a knockoff of the ST No 2 Regulator. After doing a little research, I’ve discovered that there are/were several companies that made these. It’s a non-running clock, and I don’t want it in any case, but if I wind up stuck with it, are there any of these that might be worth fixing to resell, or should I just chalk it up to lesson learned and toss it? It looks to be a complete clock, so the investment would probably be just my time. Thanks!
 

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If it is a weight driven replica there are some of them that are quite good and command decent prices, even today. Think maybe 1/4 or a bit more of original #2 prices....
 

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If it is a weight driven replica there are some of them that are quite good and command decent prices, even today. Think maybe 1/4 or a bit more of original #2 prices....
Thanks, Jim! I have something to go by now, anyway.
 

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and it might be a real one. if it’s one of the 40p0. re-issues from the 70s you can tell from the inside bottom label. Although we’re not really supposed to post photos and discuss live auctions, seeing the movement and the clock would help
 

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and it might be a real one. if it’s one of the 40p0. re-issues from the 70s you can tell from the inside bottom label. Although we’re not really supposed to post photos and discuss live auctions, seeing the movement and the clock would help
It’s about 75 miles away, but the label on the bottom, and the dial, which has both the logo and spelled name, were tipoffs for me. That, and the decorative blocks on the bottom look different than the ones on the genuine article. A1894F14-27A5-4890-B306-FA2E32FA2DAC.png A766CBF8-B985-482D-A920-BFF5B4428958.jpeg A766CBF8-B985-482D-A920-BFF5B4428958.jpeg
 

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and it might be a real one. if it’s one of the 40p0. re-issues from the 70s you can tell from the inside bottom label. Although we’re not really supposed to post photos and discuss live auctions, seeing the movement and the clock would help
Bruce, I guess I need to review the rules, and apologies to the forum moderators if I have inadvertently violated them. I took about a 2-year hiatus after getting “clocked out”, and was surprised to find when I came back that prices/values are now permitted as part of the discussion in threads. I didn’t realize auction discussions were still taboo, so please forgive my faux pas. Thanks! -Tom
 

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You can link to a completed auction item, but not one that is currently for sale. Also be aware that completed auction pictures disappear in a few weeks, making the link to them useless for future searchers.
 

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The knock offs, from what i have seen. Have phillips screws holding the movement in the case.
 

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The term knock offs implies that the clocks were made illegally.

In 1976 or so, Seth Thomas authorized a re-issue of some of their older clocks. These re-issued clocks are legitimate and are desirable, although not as desirable as the earlier models.

After doing a little research, I’ve discovered that there are/were several companies that made these.
I am not sure who these other companies were, but if you study Dick C's clock, especially the movement, you will see an authorized re-issue.

Regards.
 

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The term knock offs implies that the clocks were made illegally.

In 1976 or so, Seth Thomas authorized a re-issue of some of their older clocks. These re-issued clocks are legitimate and are desirable, although not as desirable as the earlier models.



I am not sure who these other companies were, but if you study Dick C's clock, especially the movement, you will see an authorized re-issue.

Regards.
I get it, but not my cup of tea. If I buy a Dodge Challenger, I want a ‘69 or ‘70 R/T with a 440 Six-Pack, 4-speed and Coyote Duster air cleaner, not a 2000s “re-issue”. I realize not everyone is this way(Chrysler is selling them like hotcakes)but that’s how I roll. And in my book(legalities aside) unless Mr. Seth Thomas authorized it from the hereafter, it’s a knockoff
 

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You can link to a completed auction item, but not one that is currently for sale. Also be aware that completed auction pictures disappear in a few weeks, making the link to them useless for future searchers.
So since I just mentioned that it was for sale in a local auction and didn’t include an actual “link”, am I in bounds with this?
 

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I get it, but not my cup of tea. If I buy a Dodge Challenger, I want a ‘69 or ‘70 R/T with a 440 Six-Pack, 4-speed and Coyote Duster air cleaner, not a 2000s “re-issue”. I realize not everyone is this way(Chrysler is selling them like hotcakes)but that’s how I roll. And in my book(legalities aside) unless Mr. Seth Thomas authorized it from the hereafter, it’s a knockoff
I understand your point of view, but I am also speaking to those who are reading this thread now and will in the future.

There are many references on these forums to "Chinese knockoffs" and "Asian knockoffs", which are much different than re-issued clocks.

These re-issues are legitimate Seth Thomas clocks.

Regards.
 

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as new2clocks says, the 70s re-issues were made by (the current) seth thomas (company). i've had more, but am down to two early ST2's.... can i swear that they're all original? nope. are they lovely? yup. would i be fine with a re-issue for the right price? yup. would i want a knock-off/counterfeit? no... but this model was manufactured from the mid-1860s to 1940 or 1950... and then the additional 4000 re-issues. people sell reproduction weights that are indistinguishable from originals, replacement pendulums and pendulums, etc. and, ST dials were/are notorious for flaking to death. if the dial looks too clean, it ain't original. here's the dial from my early ST1 (with round terry movement), c1865... it's in great shape but you can tell it's seen some years:

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So since I just mentioned that it was for sale in a local auction and didn’t include an actual “link”, am I in bounds with this?
If enough information is provided that someone could search for and find the auction, then no. It's best to not mention that the item is for sale anywhere.
 

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If enough information is provided that someone could search for and find the auction, then no. It's best to not mention that the item is for sale anywhere.
Got it, thanks!
 
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