Solid gold case, does that apply to the inner cover?

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On a watch marked solid gold; should the plate that is inside and just covers the movement also be solid gold?

To make sure I'm reading this right, There's an "eagle" and an "18". I assume the mark that is supposed to be an eagle but it looks more like a squirrel and the 18 at the top indicate this should be solid 18K right?
There's another thread about the eagle squirrel, several years old. I believe most people thought it was fake and considering the gold level that I found....
I did a non-destructive gold test and it showed around 10K. Once that was so low I decided to double check with a scratch/acid test on the inside cover and it went through to copper very quickly like plate. It also indicated 10K or less.

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All 18K watches I have had the inner plate is METAL and stamped as such. 18K is soft and generally needs the added strength of metal to give the case some rigidity. If this is an American case there would be no symbol as the US to my knowledge never had official symbols to designate metal purities. May be an American movement cased in a Foreign case?? Look very closely at all 'WEAR" points under 10X and you will usually find wear through if gold filled. You can also apply light pressure to the center of the cover when opened with your thumbs and it should flex very easily if 18K as there would be no base metal.
 

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To the best of my recollection, the cuvettes on all my of my many American-made solid gold pocket watch cases are also solid gold, such as this 18k cuvette on an 18k Solidarity case.

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In contrast, although nearly all of the cuvettes on my many European-made solid gold pocket watch cases are solid gold, some are plated, e.g., some IWC cases..
 

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... There's an "eagle" and an "18". I assume the mark that is supposed to be an eagle but it looks more like a squirrel and the 18 at the top indicate this should be solid 18K right?
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I did a non-destructive gold test and it showed around 10K. Once that was so low I decided to double check with a scratch/acid test on the inside cover and it went through to copper very quickly like plate. It also indicated 10K or less. ...
Brooklyn Watch Case Co. "Eagle" cases are 8 Kt gold. I can't account for the "18" marking.

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Here are Eagle stamps for 18K on American gold cases. I'm still looking for the link I found years ago.

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I bought quite a few gold cases back between 2007 and 2012 and all the dust covers were the same gold content as the covers. Thats all the input I can offer to this thread.
 

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Brooklyn Watch Case Co. "Eagle" cases are 8 Kt gold. I can't account for the "18" marking.

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Great info! Thank you. So do you think it's not a counterfeit watch case, it's just low gold content? And the squirrel-eagle is just a different poor quality mark compared to other BWCC eagles? Or do you think it's a counterfeit trying to pass as 18K, along with the 18 symbol above the squirrel-eagle? I know I'm asking a question there may be no definitive answer for, it's just kind of interesting and I really don't mind speculation regarding this watch. Either way I think I can assume that at best it is a few hundred dollar watch rather than a few thousand dollar watch.
 

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... So do you think it's not a counterfeit watch case, it's just low gold content? And the squirrel-eagle is just a different poor quality mark compared to other BWCC eagles? Or do you think it's a counterfeit trying to pass as 18K, along with the 18 symbol above the squirrel-eagle? ...
I don't know.

However, I've seen that sort of '18' marking on cases that were not 18-size and were not 18K gold.
 
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