Skeleton clock. Modern replica?

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Hello everybody.
What is your opinion?
Is it a modern replica or is it a replica of the mid-twentieth century.
It is obviously not an original.

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What's the surname so we can look it up. I read MO_AT.
I think it's Victorian. Difficult to tell possibly 1860-1880 judging by the trefoil hands (if they're original). Screwed plates too.
I like that dead beat escape wheel. Nice front pendulum length adjustment. Looks quality made from here. :cool:
 

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What's the surname so we can look it up. I read MO_AT.
I think it's Victorian. Difficult to tell possibly 1860-1880 judging by the trefoil hands (if they're original). Screwed plates too.
I like that dead beat escape wheel. Nice front pendulum length adjustment. Looks quality made from here. :cool:
The surname is JOHN MOUAT
 

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It's a replica. How much do you want for it. ;)

The name is probably Mowat, a Scottish name. There are a number of Mowat clockmakers, but not a John that fits the time frame.

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There was a 2-day marine chronometer by John Mouat sold at auction in 2013. That was numbered 423, so not too far off this one

"A two-day marine chronometer by John Mouat, the silvered dial with subsidiary dial for seconds and up/down, signed John Mouat, London, no. 423, the brass bowl gimbal in a rosewood and brass inlaid three tier case with signed ivory plaque, dial w. 10.5 cm, case w. 17.5 cm No guarantee as to working order"
 

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There was a 2-day marine chronometer by John Mouat sold at auction in 2013. That was numbered 423, so not too far off this one

"A two-day marine chronometer by John Mouat, the silvered dial with subsidiary dial for seconds and up/down, signed John Mouat, London, no. 423, the brass bowl gimbal in a rosewood and brass inlaid three tier case with signed ivory plaque, dial w. 10.5 cm, case w. 17.5 cm No guarantee as to working order"
A two-day marine chronometer by John Mouat, the silvered dial with subsidiary dial for seconds an
 

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Here is a blurb from an AHS Sept 2016 publication mentioning John Mouat.

" A mid-19th century ship’s chronometer, complete with its three-tier box was presented and discussed. The movement, dial and box, all in excellent condition, were signed ‘John Mouat, London, No 423’. Attached to the inside of the box lid was a plaque advising on ‘corking’ the balance for transportation. There is very limited data on Mouat, apart from a record of ‘Mr Mouat, Chronometer-maker & Co, on May 18th 1840 at Valparaiso (Chile) received the Larcum Kendall (HMS Bounty) from Capt. Herbert of the HMS Calliope to put it in order’. It is likely that Mouat used to go to and from California (San Francisco), as ships took a variety of goods back and forth. Research so far has revealed little information on Mouat in Valparaiso, nor any other chronometers. "

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ok, so that’s totally cool… lovely clock. are you the type who’d restore it? or are you planning on leaving as is? most of the time i like when clocks look old… but this one is meant to be stared at and would look great w everything polished and shined up. :)
 

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ok, so that’s totally cool… lovely clock. are you the type who’d restore it? or are you planning on leaving as is? most of the time i like when clocks look old… but this one is meant to be stared at and would look great w everything polished and shined up. :)
Now that it is an original, I don't dare touch it!:screwball:
I thought it was a replica.:eek:
But it would look great polishing that bronze.
I wonder how he got to Buenos Aires ...
 

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Here is a blurb from an AHS Sept 2016 publication mentioning John Mouat.

" A mid-19th century ship’s chronometer, complete with its three-tier box was presented and discussed. The movement, dial and box, all in excellent condition, were signed ‘John Mouat, London, No 423’. Attached to the inside of the box lid was a plaque advising on ‘corking’ the balance for transportation. There is very limited data on Mouat, apart from a record of ‘Mr Mouat, Chronometer-maker & Co, on May 18th 1840 at Valparaiso (Chile) received the Larcum Kendall (HMS Bounty) from Capt. Herbert of the HMS Calliope to put it in order’. It is likely that Mouat used to go to and from California (San Francisco), as ships took a variety of goods back and forth. Research so far has revealed little information on Mouat in Valparaiso, nor any other chronometers. "

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Ok so I think the skeleton clock could be a later work by Mouat. Perhaps 1860s is plausible then. I just think that the screwed plates would be a later feature rather than earlier in the 19th c. 1840's as a date for your skeleton clock looks a bit too early to me. And "London" doesn't appear to be his address, rather the origin of the kit. This also explains what this English clock is doing in South America, it has always been in your part of the world.

I have a bracket clock signed on the dial "J. Chaunce Calcutta and London". I don't think Chaunce had a clock address in London. Rather an acknowledgment of the origin of the movement. Kind of like saying, "English made". Here is a link:
 

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Ok so I think the skeleton clock could be a later work by Mouat. Perhaps 1860s is plausible then. I just think that the screwed plates would be a later feature rather than earlier in the 19th c. 1840's as a date for your skeleton clock looks a bit too early to me. And "London" doesn't appear to be his address, rather the origin of the kit. This also explains what this English clock is doing in South America, it has always been in your part of the world.

I have a bracket clock signed on the dial "J. Chaunce Calcutta and London". I don't think Chaunce had a clock address in London. Rather an acknowledgment of the origin of the movement. Kind of like saying, "English made". Here is a link:
And "London" doesn't appear to be his address, rather the origin of the kit.


You mean that at that time there were pre-assembled kits?
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Wonderful pictures, by the way... That's a beautiful movement!
 

Chris Radano

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Most likely the clock was finished by Mouat. But blancs were transported to him from a supplier in London on order.
I'm sure someone else on this Message Board could clarify.
 

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