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Show off your 19J Standard watches... I'll start with a 19j Bunn

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For anyone interested Elgin used 3 jewelings on these 19 jewel watches. Cap jewels on the escape wheel #1, cap jewels on the pallet arbor #2, a jeweled safety barrel #3. I believe #3 is the best for function and appearance.
 

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Paul,

This image with the dial signature in the center is really creative
and really promotes the watch well!! Nice work and obviously nice watch.

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I believe #3 is the best for function and appearance.
I'm personally biased so I do agree.
The others are quite nice too, obviously



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Paul,

This image with the dial signature in the center is really creative
and really promotes the watch well!! Nice work and obviously nice watch.
Completely agree. Paul does some of the best watch photography out there.
 
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Well... It's a grade 455 kind of day I suppose.:p

This is #23802861

After looking at these for well over a year (probably closer to 2), I finally found one with the perfect combination of features.
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Gold jewel settings and balance weights. Amazing damaskeen, beautiful jewels... It's a pleasure to look at!
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This has a wonderful glass enamel dial and a very nice set of railroad hands. The second hand was incorrect and a new one from Marty showed up in the mail today. This is one of my favorite more modern Elgin dials.
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It's just a gorgeous movement! Hard to photograph because as soon as light hits it... All you see is the damaskeen.

I didn't want the motor barrel for my 16s BWR... So the 455 definitely fit the bill. It's extra two cap jewels are on the pallet. This watch bridges the gap (a wide gap) between my 18s 240 from 1904 and 16s 571 from the early 1950s.

Now back to the 1870s for me. Thanks for checking it out and have a good day.
 

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Rob and Vintageguy,

Appreciate your comments on the pictures:)! About a year ago I finally bought a decent light tent and this has made taking pictures much easier with the ability to control the light much better with the built in LCD lighting. I mostly use a 35mm Canon Rebel SLR I bought over 11 years ago, and to a lesser extant a small point & shoot digital camera and my cell phone.

I agree with 179 about the jeweled barrel also. It adds to the look of the movement instead of tiny jewel caps on the escape wheel and pallet arbor
that are hidden by the balance.

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About a year ago I finally bought a decent light tent and this has made taking pictures much easier with the ability to control the light much better with the built in LCD lighting.
Nice, Paul. I have a similar setup, using a Cannon EOS Rebel T3 on manual exposure typically set at ISO 800. But your photo sets typically have 5 or more different shots, which is a great because it allows collectors to see so many different details!

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Here are some of my other 19 jewel watches, though I don't know how "standard" they are:

AWCo Grade Waltham Model 1859, SN 40,126, approximately 16 karat gold "T.B.B." hunting case, circa 1860, double sunk dial, flat hairspring, Fitts's patent reversing center pinion. If anyone has a clue who "T.B.B." stood for (Tracy, Baker and Bupkis? :) ), I'd love to know.

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AWCo Grade Waltham KW20 SN 250, 456, circa mid-1870's. Stratton's patent barrel, curb pin adjusting screw, gold train, three-line signature glass enamel dial, large diameter balance wheel, 18K AWCo hunting case:

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AWCo Grade nickel KW16, SN 501,586, circa 1871, Fogg's safety pinion, three-line signature glass enamel dial, unusual flat hairspring, internal stopwork, gold dome, 18K AWCo hunting case:

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18 size 19 Jewel Waltham Vanguard
Circa 1902

Waltham Watch Company's Model 1892
Version 2 (Upper Balance Jewel Screws in East-West Orientation)
According to what I have read(from a Waltham Model 1892 chart Tom M posted)
there were 4490 of these made.

I must admit I have wanted this particular watch for quite a while and this one's dial and
movement(and case) are in perfect shape. The very small but visible diamond end-stone is really beautiful too.



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From PWDB:

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Great looking 455 B W Raymond Rod!



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Great watch and fantastic case!



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There is no H. I love it.

i mean the whole watch is gorgeous but i really like the Pittsburg case!
According to the Wikipedia entry for Pittsburgh, "[f]rom 1891 to 1911, the city's name was federally recognized as 'Pittsburg' ".

So when the "h" is missing, does that meaningfully assist in dating a case or other watch component such as a private label dial?

Just being curious, I suppose there was/is no law against using or not using the "h" whether in the 1750s or currently.
 

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According to the Wikipedia entry for Pittsburgh, "[f]rom 1891 to 1911, the city's name was federally recognized as 'Pittsburg' ".

So when the "h" is missing, does that meaningfully assist in dating a case or other watch component such as a private label dial?

Just being curious, I suppose there was/is no law against using or not using the "h" whether in the 1750s or currently.
It can be a general Indicator. I wouldn't use the absence or presence of the H as any sort of accurate tool. People changed slowly, and some didn't.
 

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Waltham model 1892 19j Crescent St. (11526927) circa 1902.

The watch is in it's original Deuber Silverine, OF, SB&B, case (#9374) which has the feint remains of a die engraved stag on the back cover, though it is nearly invisible due to wear.
Purchased in 2016, I had it cleaned, oiled, and new MS installed. I've run it twice for a few weeks over the years and it still keeps accurate time.
I've attached some Waltham ADs from the NAWCC research center from 1902 to 1903 showing all of Waltham's 18s RR grade watches and the Jewelers Circular article from 1906 carrying a lengthy article written by everyone's favorite Watch Inspector W. Cliff Ball. I've highlighted two sections where he lists a myriad of acceptable watches for RR service and the next section where he elaborates why he prefers 17j and 19j as preferable to higher jeweled more delicate watches with their cap jewels etc., and he seemed to have good advice on maintaining a watch.

Most of you will have seen the ads before but it does give you a bit of a snapshot of what were going on in regulations at the time.






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Elgin B W Raymond 19j 16 size circa 1917 Grade 372
The seller was in Nothern Ontario, Canada

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A Hamilton 16s 996, 19j ,A5P, (no. 1529902) standard watch bought back in 2016 cased in a 14k GF Keystone white GF . The watch watch was a presentation to E. (Edward) J. Coffield. a supervisor for the Woonsockett, RI, division of UNITED ELECTRIC RAILWAYS a trolley company that operated in the greater Providence RI area, from his fellow employees on June 30 1928. I found Mr. Coffield and his family living in Pawtucket RI in the 1930 census and he employment was listed as a "Street railway superintendent" and was renting a flat in a 2 family house, living with his wife and daughter. He didn't appear in the 1940 census. Because of the details of the presentation I was able to quite a bit about the original owner. The auction also included the business card of the final owner (a deceased watch maker and collector), making the watch one of the handful in my collection that I have a good idea of their provenance.

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Coffield rental 1930 Pawtucket RI Coffield 1930 Census information.
 

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I just got this one over the weekend, my only Ball-Waltham: 16s
My wife's grandfather worked on the RR
in some capacity in PA and his 17j Ball Waltham was passed down to her
younger brother (the oldest boy in their family) and that prompted
me to buy a few of them. They are very sharp looking watches.
I especially like the inset gold colored medallion.


Rob
 

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