Show off some of your Getty Illinois watches

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  1. musicguy

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    Illinois Getty model

    Before I knew what a Getty Illinois was, I would see these movements and say
    to myself how nice I thought they looked. I especially liked the crescent shaped click.
    They are very unique looking vs other American designs of the same period.

    1900 Illinois - Getty- Grade 186 - 17j -16s

    One of the identifying features is the single ratchet wheel(and crescent click)

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  2. Ethan Lipsig

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    I only have one Getty. It is an uncommon 19j Grade 175 hunter, circa 1906. I bought the movement from Fred Hansen who I recall saying that only 60 of these hunter movements were made, along with 40 19j Grade 175 OFs and about 100019j Grade 175 OFs with three-finger bridges for Burlington. I bought the movement because I had rescued a beautiful 14k Dubois case from scrappers. It needed a new tenant.

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    A Getty Rail Road King...

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  4. rrwatch

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    One of my favorite Gettys. Its a grade 186 with an ESP of only 80, all marked for Wilson Bros "King of the Road".

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    Near gem grade 179 marked

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    I LOVE that watch!

    Have you seen another? I'm not sure I have.

    In any case, my favorite

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    #7 darrahg, Jun 25, 2018
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    Getty models are my favorite Illinois watch too, especially the two tones. Here is a 989 Special.

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    Here is an Electric RR Standard

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    A bit of a ho-hom Grade 183 but I had never seen a 16s Canadian dial before and it came in a SIR WM. PITT 25 Year case.

    As I found out here on NAWCC "Sir William Pitt" was registered to James A. Pitt of Montreal in 1907 This Thread .

    Further digging reveals James A. Pitt was a wholesale jeweller in Montreal in 1912. (Early Canada Online)

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  10. kevin h

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    We can't forget the Sangamo's , the one thing about gettys is even the "ho-hum" grade is a beauty , 1811103

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    Hi Ben, I think there is one other example but it is a pig
     
  12. Steven Thornberry

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    I will add this Burlington.

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  13. terry hall

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    and I'll raise you one :whistle:

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    Fred... you want to tell the 'story'...?? I do have saved one of yours... but feel you should post it....


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    #16 musicguy, Jun 25, 2018
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    Someone tell the story.....;)


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    I have my two favorites.

    A 15 jewel grade 183 from about 1905
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    A 19 jewel grade 185 Burlington Special from around 1909, I do have it's original Burlington case but it just needed to show off its movement so I carry it in a display case.
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    A 21 jewel Sangamo grade Burlington is a hard one to beat Terry.
     
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  19. terry hall

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    i don't know about that... we've had some great sit-downs / show-n-tells that left me boggeled.....

    That 179 of Bryan's is not bad either (understatement).... :)
     
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    They are all fantastic watches.
    Here are a couple more. Not the best of shots but should get the point across that I do favor TTs.

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    We have some of the top Getty collectors in the country posting to this thread, and I don't care to attempt to compete with them, but I'll still say that this thread deserves a 189.

    I know this is pretty boring in terms of rarity, but it does have a special place in any Getty collection.

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  22. Christopher Burris

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    #22 Christopher Burris, Jun 26, 2018
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    I have one close to it, I hope it's not the "pig"

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    177 HC, 177 Open, 178HC
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    Here is my Getty Sangamo. Poor photo but too lazy to reshoot.

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  25. ben_hutcherson

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    Your two-toning is good, which is more than can be said about a lot of these.

    It's interesting to compare the grade marking on yours to Bryan's, though. Bryan's is in the same-rather elaborate-font as the rest of the markings.

    I almost wonder if yours was a later addition by the factory, whether from stale inventory or from a trip back. I'd be interested in seeing other watches close in S/N(i.e. within 10). Yours and Bryan's are far enough apart that I don't think they can be compared.

    That's just another thing that makes Illinois-IMO-one of the most interesting and enigmatic companies to collect.
     
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    Montgomery Ward.

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    As noted by Bill Meggers, the 189 was the highest quality movement made in 16 size model 4&5 (Gettys). Even though it was 21 ruby jewels it was priced slightly higher than a 23 ruby jewel Sangamo, and 20% higher than a 21 ruby jewel Sangamo!
     
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    #28 grtnev, Jun 26, 2018
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    First two pictures, grade 189, 21j, Adj 6P

    Last two pictures 23j Sangamo, Adj 6P

    Richard

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    Sangamo Rowe Bros. Chicago

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    apologize in advance for the lack of quality of images... but here is a 'range' of movement quality in this set here....

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    no doubt on grade on this one... a model four.. have a friend that put together a 'set' of unmarked and marked model 4 and 5 grade 189's....

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    even 'just' 17 ruby jewels is worthy :)

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    All dressed up with no place to go. 23 jewels, unadjusted??

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    A 21J Sangamo “Extra”

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  35. ben_hutcherson

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    How about the 189's little brother, the 187?

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    You betcha... wid dem ruby jewels....

    Older posts in the stickies will contain some info... but many broken image links
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    Here's one that was 'lost' but "finally" came home ... thanks Steve

    Refer to page 48 in the 1985 Megger's book... not plentiful.

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    Not to get too nit-picky, but I'd have to have a close look at the balance cock on that one.
     
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    no problem:)
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    I was hoping someone would post a 181. Still on my want list.
     
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    I always wonder how many 181s and 189s get passed on. They're both pretty non-descript unless you know Illinois well enough to jump on the "21 Ruby Jewel" marking or take a close look and see how beautifully finished they are.

    Perhaps one of the other collectors(179 if you're still reading :) ) can correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall the only way to actually ID a 181(as distinct from a 189) is by the serial number.
     
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    Believe me I have tried for many years, and I can find no difference . As far as I know, only by serial number.
     
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    #44 Christopher Burris, Jun 28, 2018
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    I saw one 181 on Ebay, but lost to Fred, I believe. Yes, it did look just like the 189, just like the 187 & 178 are twins, but I look up all 187 and 189 I see just in case.
     
  45. Fred Hansen

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    I don’t think I’ve pictured this one here before, unusual damaskeen and from a run listed in the serial records as lower grade production
    ...

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    Fred E. simply WoW.... and run id as a lower grade.... " the watches tell the story" fer sure....

    181, know of one, don't have image, not in my accumulation... but in an accumulation of 'pairs' of marked and unmarked 189...

    and yes, serial it the identifier on these beautifully finished examples...

    Fred E.. please present the story on the stripe examples...
     
  47. Fred Hansen

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    Will do with the striped Sangamos - but I’m on the road for a few more days so will have to post when I’m home again.
     
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    It has been my practice for a while to try to buy all numbered or unmarked Getty's that say "Ruby Jewels." It is hard to see how you can go wrong with that. :)

    Of course I do not have enough money to spend to put myself in any real danger.
     
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    That's a safe thing to do with any Illinois watch regardless of size or model.
     
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    Here is my Sangamo Getty 23J in a 1904 hunter case. She is dead accurate.

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