Should I get this watch fixed?

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  1. hazel1014

    hazel1014 Registered User

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    Hello all,

    So I have this pocket watch that seems like it might have been put together as it is now.

    Here's what I know -



    It does not currently run
    The Dial is signed Waltham, and it has a crack in the bottom right quadrant, from right under the three to just past the 6
    The case is signed Roy, has the 14K mark on it, and has a serial # of 288238 - the serial number is on the dust cover as well
    the movement is signed Waltham and has a serial # of 14397179, and indicates that there is 15 jewels.

    Is it worth it to have the watch fixed?

    Here's pics:

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  2. Kevin W.

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    We cant discuss values, its really up to you if you wish to pay to have it repaired. Maybe look at past sales of a watch like this on Ebay.
     
  3. NC Plumber

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    That's a solid gold case, I'd personally remove that movement and install a nice clean running 21 jewel movement.
     
  4. geo.ulrich

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    If case is original to watch are we not supposed to try and keep them original ? just saying, I would repair or have it repaired.
     
  5. musicguy

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    This is an oversimplification but....

    If you are looking just to sell it, it does not matter if you fix it.
    If you want to keep it, get it fixed.




    Rob
     
  6. MrRoundel

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    While the movement is nice, it is just a medium quality 16s Waltham. The movement is much more common than cases in that condition, especially solid karat gold cases. The Roy Watch Case Co. made nice solid cases, with many housing Waltham movements.

    The watch market, especially common pocket watches, is a bit on the soft side right now. At the same time, the price of gold is relatively strong, and many are tempted to sell their watches for the scrap value in the case. We in the watch collecting world, cringe at how often this happens. It's a real shame that such objects of beauty, and many hours of craftsmen's labor, get converted to a mere commodity. This destruction tends to drive up the price of existing cases, especially the gold ones. Heck, even nice gold-filled cases are getting premium prices these days.

    Do you, the watch owner, owe the watch-world anything? No. Is it immoral to sell nice gold cases for the scrap value? No. Do most of us here find it repugnant? Yes. But that's because we know how rare they are becoming and how much work went into watches, their mechanisms and cases.

    It is hard to say whether you'll get much more than scrap value for a watch like that. What I would suggest is that you do your homework by looking for good comparable sales of complete watches. Otherwise you might sell your watch, and yourself, short. Bear in mind that the trend in gold prices seems to be up, and you may really benefit financially by holding onto it for a while no matter what.

    You could also do as suggested, and look for a nicer movement to put in the case. This MAY help fetch a nice premium. While historical-purist collectors don't like the idea of this, it can be practical as a financial move. This is especially true since there are so many nice bare movements out there that have had their original, probably karat gold, cases melted. So really, from an historical standpoint, it's pretty likely that by housing a nice, say, Waltham Riverside Maximus movement in that case, you are really just returning the watch to nearer its original state. Tough call, and hard to prove regardless. If you do such a thing, you could always endeavor to keep the original movement with the case wherever it ends up. This may help preserve the historical record, for what that ends up being worth. Good luck on your decisions. Cheers.
     
  7. onsite

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    Excellent response MrRoundel.

    I say get it repaired, when you hold it in your hand, running again, it will be good for your soul.
     
  8. Accutronica

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    I agree. What guarantee is there that the movement came new in that case? Instead of having that movement repaired I would spend the money on the nicest movement I could afford for it.
     
  9. musicguy

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  10. Dave Coatsworth

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    Rob,
    The OP did not say anything about selling the watch in this thread. Note that discussion of watches that are for sale is not allowed per message board rules.
     
  11. musicguy

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  12. MrRoundel

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    Sorry, that may have been partially my fault. I mentioned the potential sale because of how the question was framed, i.e. “Should I this watch fixed?, which later was phrased, "Is it worth getting this watch fixed?" The poster may have no intention at all in selling the watch. My post was of more of a preemptive nature. Cheers.
     
  13. kd8tzc

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    How can you tell it is solid gold vs gold filled?
     
  14. MrRoundel

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    The Roy case company only made solid cases. Plus it is marked as karat gold.
     
  15. hazel1014

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    So sorry to have gotten this debate started! I did post the question of sales on the sale forum - here I was talking more of doing the case and/or movement justice, especially because I really didn't realize what I have, in that the Roy case was solid, or that the Waltham movement was common.

    If you go on the sale forum, you will see that I probably will get the movement repaired and see about getting a case more in line with the movement and possibly wear it as a necklace -

    So much knowledge in one place....boggles the mind!
     
  16. MrRoundel

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    Hi hazel1014. Not really much of a debate going on. At least nothing that doesn't happen often here. Questions regarding sales and case-melts are pretty common.

    There's nothing inappropriate about the karat gold case with an average movement in it. That is actually rather common, as it is the case that is seen by others, not the movement. The movement is a nice one, just not in the top tier of what Waltham was offering at the time. As far as wearing it as a necklace, well, it's sort of big for that purpose, but maybe it'll work for you. Good luck.
     
  17. PWfanatik

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    Does it have family heirloom related values to you and your family?
    If so, fix it.
     
  18. topspin

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    That is indeed the important question.
    If the watch has sentimental / family history value for you, then go ahead and get it fixed, so you will have something worthy of passing onto the next generation when the time comes.
    Otherwise, as others have noted, it sure is tempting to install either an equivalent movement that's still running, or simply the highest-grade movement you can lay hands on.
     
  19. Les harland

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    If it is a family heirloom money will not matter as you will not be selling it
    Getting it fixed means you will see and hear it as the original owner would
    Would it be safe round you neck?
    If the necklace is long enough for you to be able to see the face would it be shaken around too much if you dance?
     
  20. Larry Treiman

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    Sixteen-size watches, such as your watch, were intended to be carried in a gentleman's watch pocket and are much too large and heavy to be worn exposed, hanging on a necklace chain.

    Any time you bent forward you would have to hold on to the watch to keep it from swinging away from your body and banging into something like a piece of furniture or other hard object, possibly breaking the crystal or denting the case, or worse.

    Since your Waltham watch has no shock protection, any impact could cause damage, such as a broken or bent balance staff pivot and/or jewel(s), resulting in a costly repair.


    Larry Treiman
     
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