Should I buy this Colonial Clock?

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  1. Floyd's Grandson

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    Hello all,

    New to the site and the forum, but I will be an active member for sure! I will explain my love for all things that tick soon, but I need some quick advice on a clock that I've recently discovered in my area for sale...

    It's a Colonial Mfg Co Model 1524. The seller says there are no weights and I only see one chain in the pics he's provided. The clock looks to be in great shape, other than missing parts.

    Are weights for this model clock easily found/replaced?

    I've searched for info on the 1524 model and have found nothing. Hoping some experts can "Chime" in here...

    Thank you in advance!!

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  2. roughbarked

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    #2 roughbarked, Mar 17, 2020
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    There's a chain in the bottom of the clock. No. I wouldn't buy it for what you have been told it is.
     
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    I'd pass.
     
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  4. Floyd's Grandson

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    Thank you both! It's listed for the lowest 3 digit number you can imagine. I thought maybe it would be worth fixing up, but it seems not to be from your comments.
     
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    I am of the opinion that it is a Korean knock off.
     
  6. Floyd's Grandson

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    I'll need more proof than that. Take the dial and hands off.
     
  8. Dave T

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    If you like the clock, and want something to 'play' with, and the price is right, buy it. Maybe the seller would consider giving it to you.

    Missing weights might cost more than the clock!
    And the movement is still a major question.

    Just one more opinion, and everybody has one. :)
     
  9. Floyd's Grandson

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    Thanks, Dave. It is opinions that I am after, here. If the clock wasn’t so far away (a 2 hour drive), I’d venture to have a closer look in person. I guess I will pass on this one.
     
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    If you look online you will see all kinds of similar clocks for very little money!
     
  11. Andy Dervan

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    Clock is from about 1930, I would have to dig through at my Colonial Mfg. Co. price sheets from 1930s for exact information.

    The case looks is in reasonably good condition as it is Mahogany, but one person commented about the chain at the bottom of the case. Movement will probably require some work, but it is older German movement much better quality than post WWII movements.

    If you can acquire very inexpensively it would be nice find - you need to pull the dial and look at condition of the chains in the relation to every else in the movement.

    Andy Dervan
     
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    Thanks, Andy!

    The seller originally listed it for $150, but when I questioned him about the missing weights he said $100. I’m thinking I might be able to get it for even less.

    I’ve never worked on a Grandfather clock before. Is it difficult to remove the dial to access the movement?
     
  13. Andy Dervan

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    There are no photographs showing the dial.

    The normal process would be open the door, remove the hands (either taper pin or nut holding them in), hopefully there are screws holding dial in place or the whole dial and movement is attached to seatboard and can removed as a unit. Proceed cautiously!

    I do not know where you live - you might want to consult with someone who repairs clocks for assistance/ recommendations. Commercial clock repairers can be expensive as they have shops to maintain. There are some hobbyists that might able to assist, but you need to know if they are know what they are working on. This is not a simple time and strike mantel clock.

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    Thanks again, Andy.

    Did all my pictures not post above? I did post a picture of the dial. I’ll reattach it here.

    I live in upstate NY, and I don’t believe there are any professional clock repair persons in my general vicinity. Perhaps there may be hobbyists close to me on this board that might be able to assist?

    Taking into consideration the information you provided about the clock in a previous comment, I am now leaning towards looking into it further. Worst case scenario the movement might need to be replaced, correct? I’m guessing that would significantly decrease the value, but I’m not looking to resell it; it would be more of a project to fix and enjoy!

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    It is a good case for $100.
     
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    There was no dial photograph. You can not see any dial details without opening the case door.

    Upstate NY is a very large area. Where do you live so we can help you?

    Andy Dervan
     
  17. Floyd's Grandson

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    I live in the Elmira/Corning area of NY.
     
  18. Dave T

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    Considering what Andy told us about this clock. I would lean toward thinking it has an older and very serviceable movement.
     
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    I agree, but I have no experience with grandfather clock movements. I suppose I could find the information I need here, though.
     
  20. Andy Dervan

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    I don't know anyone in Elmina.

    I know an Amish watermaker, Mahllon Shetler in Jasper, NY;. I don't he would work on a clock; he really busy right now. .

    I know clock repairer in Fairport, NY - Eric Hooker, Eric's Clocks - 585-381-5510. He might be able to suggest some closer to you.

    Andy Dervan
     
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    Thanks, Andy!
     
  22. upstateny

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    I am in Rochester NY and travel to Elmira quite often. I do a lot of what you are considering. I will PM you.
     
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    Dial looks like a modern retrofit and there's no telling what movement is really in there. Without more photos to go by I'd avoid it unless you want just the case for a project.
     
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    $100 is cheap enough.
    Which is basically what I said.
     
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    Please. Forget this.

    A real antique tall case might be acquired @ auction for not much more.

    Other real antique clocks are out there for less than they were bringing. The market is, overall, depressed so there are opportunities awaiting.

    RM
     
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    Dial look like contemporary Hermle or Kieninger fare, not Korean knockoff but ain't much better. Can't tell if the gong rod block is original but there are 4 x 4 rods in there. If one looks closely the dial is not an exact fit, the arch is too small. There is no way this clock is 100% original and it is disappointing that a good, original movement and dial were tossed in favor of whatever is in there now. Unless you can allocate a suitable movement and other parts, this isn't worth going after. Like RM said, there are true antiques - better deals - waiting out there.
     
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    I had not noticed the ill-fitting dial. Perhaps the original movement has been replaced. I did a Colonial clock form the 50s a few years ago, it hade an Urgos movement that I was able to replace with the currect Hermle manufactured version of the original Urgos.

    I have come across several clock cases from the 20s and 30s that had the very same problem, replaced movement and dial that were not the size of the original. For example I had a clock with Kieninger H1 movement that was missing the dial, I had a devil of a time finding a 12 inch dial for it.
     
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    I’m leaning towards passing on the clock now. Although I talked the owner down even more on the price to $85, it seems like I’d just be buying the case. I do like the case, however. I just don’t know how costly it would be to replace the movement with one that fits properly.
     
  29. Andy Dervan

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    Probably a good choice to pass on it, however it is a nice case.

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    #30 rmarkowitz1_cee4a1, Mar 19, 2020
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    I defer to others on clocks like this.

    However, to me, the case does NOT look old.

    I realize to each their own, but the design of the case, to me mind you, is just no great shakes.

    I don't know where you are in your collecting. But I would venture that many of us, especially when we first started after being bitten by the bug, became quite voracious and omnivorous. We wanted to come home with something frequently. Resist. Look at a lot of stuff, try to buy judiciously. Might you pass up something you shouldn't have passed. Probably. But begin to develop your areas of interest, refine your taste and eye. No, doesn't have to be Simon Willard banjos. But where ever in the clock spectrum you end up, build a collection of better examples, not a pile of stuff. And have fun. I've seen too many collectors become too competitive with it's attendant negative behaviors. Ain't life or death. It's about things.

    That's my advice after > 30 years, FWIW.

    Have fun.

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    In addition to what RM said, read about a lot of stuff. Learn about the pieces that you inherited. There must have been a reason your grandfather kept the pieces - see if you can figure out what he found interesting about them. This message board is a full of pictures and information about clocks/watches/tools about many different styles, makers, age, countries, etc, etc. If you have joined the NAWCC, there are also online video programs and back issues of the Bulletins to add to your knowledge. But, most of all, I echo RM's last thought - HAVE FUN!

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    EXCELLENT ADVICE!!

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  33. Andy Dervan

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    It is an legitimate Mahogany tall clock case produced by Colonial Mfg. Company in Zeeland Michigan probably about 1930!

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    Okee-dokee!

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  35. Dave T

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    How does one access the movement on this clock? What are the thumb tabs for on the backside top? If it's easy access, I'd ask the owner to get it open and take some pictures for me.
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  36. Floyd's Grandson

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    What is your opinion, Andy? You seem to know about these colonial clocks. Worth $85, even if it doesn’t have the original movement! I’m still on the fence, here.
     
  37. JTD

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    Access is from the front, not the back.

    Never heard the expression 'thumb tabs' before, so don't know what you are looking at. Maybe someone else knows better than I.

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    I think he’s referring to the tabs that are screwed into the back edges of the crown.
     
  39. JTD

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    You may be right. Can't get them to enlarge very clearly but there seems to be something attached to the screws (if that's what's meant by 'tabs'). Maybe someone was fixing some kind of stabiliser to attach to a wall.

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    I'm talking about those two plastic twist tabs on the backside top, shown in the picture. I'm pretty sure they secure the back panel, but that panel could be split farther down, with two more tabs at the bottom of it. Picture doesn't show the full backside.
     
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    Well I'm still baffled by the terminology. I don't see anything that looks like plastic twist tabs.. Do you mean the two (which look like metal by maybe they aren't) in the backboard?

    Perhaps it would help if you could show the whole backboard, as you say there are two more of these things lower down.

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    Don't know about plastic but the two swinging on a screw tabs I can see are there to stop the top piece from sliding forward accidentally.
     
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    I don’t believe the backboard is split, judging by the photo of the front side bottom portion.

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    Sorry I state clearly what I meant. For instance, on my Howard Miller, there are two panels. One at the top which is held in by 4 of those clips, and then the panel that covers all the rest of the back.

    But your picture from the inside clearly shows one solid panel.
     
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    So, would that indicate that the whole top panel can be removed? And maybe allow for a picture of the movement from there?
     
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    I thought discusions of active sales were prohibited here? Has that policy changed? I think discussion of this clock and its heritage are fine, but references to value or price should be removed unless the policy has changed. I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up already, given the usual vigilance.

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    My original thread about this clock was moved because it involved discussion of an active sale, which is against the rules. I cannot find where the thread was moved to, so I’m starting a new one.

    I bought the Colonial clock. I couldn’t resist, as the seller came down to $60.

    It is solid mahogany. It is marked “1542” on the back. It has fluted columns and burled veneer on the top and the bottom of the front of the case. It has a Hermle 451-50H movement in it, which I know is not original to this clock, but I should be able to find the parts I need.

    The clock is missing the weights and the pendulum, but for $60 I just couldn’t pass it up.

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    Its a newer movement, will need to be serviced, likely bushings for sure it needs. Not a bad buy at that price.
     
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    For 60 dollars that wasn't a bad purchase. Since you can allocate the missing parts you should have a good running clock, even if it isn't all original. According to the Hermle dating system your current movement was made in 2000.
     
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    All original would be ideal and great, but for my first Grandfather clock, I am in love with it already!
     

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