Setup up chime drum.

[stewart]

Hello

This picture is of an urgos 9 tube (I believe). It's a 3 tune (West min, St mich etc.). Can anybody help me out with the correct pins for the starting position?

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Thanks Stewart

 

[SrWilson]

Hi Stuart basically to put it all in sync you need to turn the drum and align it so the quarter past chime is where the 4 notes descendon west or if whittington 8 notes descend so turn the drum till you find the sequence 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 strikes highest note 1 to deepest 8 that is the quarter past chime so find that on the drum then position that to before the quarter past chime.
After that everything else including the other chime westm will all be in sync.

 

[Tom Kloss]

IMHO the simplest way is to use the simpler Westminster tune. The first quarter hour with the four descending notes. However, also remember, the chime tubes have to be hung i the correct order.

Tom

“Sometimes you really don’t know if your being rewarded or punished”

 

[SrWilson]

IMHO the simplest way is to use the simpler Westminster tune. The first quarter hour with the four descending notes. However, also remember, the chime tubes have to be hung i the correct order.

Tom

“Sometimes you really don’t know if your being rewarded or punished”

If it was a westm only then yer but because his is a 9 tube clock if he puts it on west m its notes 3 4 5 8 hes gonna have to look for so i figured since its a 9 tube its easier to see on whittington since it will go down all the 8 chime notes on the first 1/4.

 

[stewart]

Hello SrWilson and Klossee

Thanks for the replies, you really helped me out. The sketch below is how I set it up for the first quarter. I only have the movement in my possession.

I give up, I can't post a picture again. It took an hour this afternoon just to post that picture. I got lucky somehow. Believe it or not I can program in assembly, basic, fortran, Dbasew/GUI and C. I even design web sites for people, but I can't get this right.

Thanks again Gents

Stewart

 

[stewart]

Back again!

I almost had the picture posted but then got some message about my time being up. I give up. I still say this new site is awkward and cumbersom. If it were a clock it would be a Korean one.

Stewart

 

[shutterbug]

A reminder - the 1/4 hour chime is replicated at the end of the 3/4 chime, so be sure you are in the right place when you tighten it up

 

[stewart]

Trying to post sketch

Sketch is of drums starting position.

 

[stewart]

The arrow indicates the drums rotation. Is this correct for Westminster chime?

Had to post again. For some reason I could not edit above, something about time limit.

Thanks Stewart

 

[Tom Kloss]

Good point Shutterbug but, with out the chime tubes available hes going to have tough sledding to set it up. Good luck. This is why when I get a triple chime to work on, although it a pain, I take the chimes with me when I take the movement to my shop. I was bitten once and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

Tom

“Sometimes you really don’t know if your being rewarded or punished”

 

[shutterbug]

The arrow indicates the drums rotation. Is this correct for Westminster chime?

Had to post again. For some reason I could not edit above, something about time limit.

Thanks Stewart

Maybe It actually looks more like the 1/4 hour St. Michaels run, but could be for either if you have a swith to select. Looks like the right place though

 

[SrWilson]

Both whittington chimes and st michaels chimes go down all 8 notes like that on the first 1/4 so it makes no difference.

But yes that sketch you did is where you want the barrel to be before quarter past since going down the notes 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 is the beggining of the whittington st mich chimes.

Been a Urgos I will bet its a whittington westminster chime clock though.

 

[Mike Phelan]

A reminder - the 1/4 hour chime is replicated at the end of the 3/4 chime, so be sure you are in the right place when you tighten it up

Should not be a problem as the entire barrel is always used twice on the hour: 4/4 + 1/4 is the same as 1/2 + 3/4.
The critical final adjustment is to see that the train locks immediately after the last blow.

 

[shutterbug]

Should not be a problem as the entire barrel is always used twice on the hour: 4/4 + 1/4 is the same as 1/2 + 3/4.
The critical final adjustment is to see that the train locks immediately after the last blow.

I have no reason to doubt you, but am having a hard time wrapping my mind around that It would seem (talking Westminster here), that you would want the 1/2 hour followed by the 1/4 hour to get the 3/4 chime - that part I can make work in my mind. But you'd need the 1/2 hour to go twice (and that would not be "pure" Westminster either) for the hour sequence. So you'll have to explain it a bit more for me. I've never really looked at the barrel closely, assuming that it was a once around each hour arrangement.

 

[stewart]

Hello Guys

It's an Urgos 9 tube (8 play the chime). I only have the movement, no tubes and no dial (I know Klosse, not good) so I really don't know the songs, but I assumed its got the classic Westminster (thanks Brit boys SrWilson and Mike). As I have sketched I have going on the first quarter, as Shutterbug said it does repeat at the end of the 3rd quarter. I guess I'm good to go.

Thanks all for your help.

Now that the strike is working great it stops running, go figure. Should that black plastic suspension spring be tight in the top part of the pendulum hanger?

Stewart

 

[Mike Phelan]

It would seem (talking Westminster here), that you would want the 1/2 hour followed by the 1/4 hour to get the 3/4 chime (No!) - that part I can make work in my mind. But you'd need the 1/2 hour to go twice (and that would not be "pure" Westminster either) for the hour sequence. (No - it is the half-hour plus the first 8 notes of the 3/4) So you'll have to explain it a bit more for me. I've never really looked at the barrel closely, assuming that it was a once around each hour arrangement.

Pas de probleme, SB
All the chiming clocks I have seen, Westminster or otherwise, are capable of playing 5 peals of notes. A Westminster uses 4 notes in a peal, a Whittington 8 notes.

On all chimes, the chime barrel turns twice in an hour and has all 5 peals pinned on it. For the four quarters of an hour, and if we call the peals V, W, X, Y and Z then we get:
1/4 = V
1/2 = WX
3/4 = YZV
Hour = WXYZ

"V" is nearly always a descending scale on most chimes.

If we draw the chime barrel out flat on a Westy, we get: (-=space, o=note)

o---
-o--
--o-
---o

--o-
o---
-o--
---o

--o-
-o--
o---
--o-

o---
--o-
-o--
---o

--o-
-o--
o---
---o

Does that make more sense? Setting them up is a doddle once you figure this bit out.

 

[Tony Ambruso]

Hey Mike, where's the starting point on the chime barrel?

Just kidding you.

I came across an old article on discerning the music being played on an unknown chime barrel. It is a very interesting article. Even to the point of being able to properly arrange a mixed-up set of tubes on a tubular bell. However, reading music is necessary for this process. But it was an enlightening article.

 

[clocker2]

Setting up this movement is not that tricky. Just advance the geartrain so that the 1/4 hour has just finished. I then clip something temporary on the chime fly. (A clothespin works well). Then please heed this warning on this movement!!! Do not make this adjustment with the weights on or you will have an accident!! (the chime weight will sing to the bottom of the case so fast, you will want to turn back time...ask me how I know...LOL) Loosen the set screw or screws on the rear chime gear and slowly turn it while holding the movement back about 45 degrees so the levers can be lifted and fall. If you are sitting at the bench, the front of the movement should be staring up at you. Look for the sequence of descending notes. You may have to move the chime selector switch to get it to play the Whittington or St. Michaels chimes. Just as in your sketch, the notes go from right to left. The tubes are hung in the case from smallest to longest in the same order (right to left). This will set it up, but you may have to make some minor adjustments to get it correct. You don't want a lever mid air when the train stops. Ideally, you would like to have the last lever drop and the train shuts down immediately after that.

Jeff Major

 

[shutterbug]

I've never had a problem setting them up, but must admit I never studied how the cylinder is structured. The 5th peal drawing helps, and does make sense. I'm a musician and can "hear" the peal even without the chime rods so it's a cinch to set up. Now I'm going to have a close look at that cylinder!

 

[Mike Phelan]

Bah - spotted an error - sorry, folks:
o---
-o--
--o-
---o

--o-
o---
-o--
---o

--o-
-o--
o---
--o-

o---
--o-
-o--
---o
This one should be:
[colour=red]---o
-o--
o---
--o-[/colour]

 

[shutterbug]

I didn't catch it until you pointed it out

 

[J. A. Olson]

Bah - spotted an error - sorry, folks:
o---
-o--
--o-
---o

--o-
o---
-o--
---o

--o-
-o--
o---
--o-

o---
--o-
-o--
---o
This one should be:
[colour=red]---o
-o--
o---
--o-[/colour]

That makes more sense