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I am scraping the bottom of my barrel of US PW trios, at least until I replenish it with clever, useful threesomes akin to those Jerry Treiman just posted.

Waltham A models don't get the love they deserve even though gentleman-size Walthams were highly valued when new, as evidenced by contemporary pricing, such as these 1910 Harry Burton 12-size offerings:

18k Jules Jurgensen $300
18k Haas Neveux, Extra Thin Extra $235
18k Patek Philippe, Extra $225 or $235
18k Patek Philippe, No. 1 $200
18k D. Gruen, Extra Thin $200
14k Ulysse Nardin, Superior $175
14k Ulysse Nardin, Extra $140
18k American Watch Co. 21j $130
14k Walth. Riv. Max. Colonial 23j $120

14k Vacheron Constantin 21j, No.1 $110
14k C.H. Meylan $95
14k Jules Monard, Extra $95
14k Touchon $90
14k Agassiz, Extra $90

Here's my trio of 10-size A models.

19j Riverside A #23,048,136 in 14k Case Likely by Perry Marks, in Original Box Showing that it Retailed for $175 When New, Circa 1917-1918
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23j Maximus A #26,296,337 in Platinum Case Likely by Perry Marks, Circa 1920s
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19j Riverside A #22,280,322 in 14k Matalene Case, Circa 1916-1918
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Edward Howard presented inscribed gold watches to each of his three wives, Harriet, Caroline, and Elizabeth, in turn, and I believe I have seen all three of these watches in different places over the years. That would be an amusing, if also slightly pathetic collection for someone to assemble. Unfortunately, I don't have electronic images of any of them.
 
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I am not sure this threesome qualifies, because it is a trio of U.S. owners of a single Vacheron & Constantin, a Welsh PL.

As attested to by the complex inscriptions:

It was originally given in 1919 to S. Charles Welsh by his sons, George W. Welsh and S. Charles Welsh, Jr., in appreciation of their father's services to the family jewelry concern, George W. Welsh's Sons.

Next, the watch passed to George W. Welsh, presumably one of the sons who had given the watch to their father.

Next it passed to George's son or grandson, George W. Welsh, III, in 1941.

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I haven't been able to find our much about the Welsh jewelry business, just a Feb. 5, 1919 Jeweler's Circular blurb to the effect that the firm was founded in 1845 and that by 1919 it was located at 213 Broadway (presumably West Broadway) in Manhattan. Curiously, Walmart presently is offering several presumably rare monographs about a case between the Welsh estate and the Elevated Railroad that I presume are completely unrelated to watches. See

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If this threesome does not qualify, then my threesome of 18k Hamilton 400s surely does. See https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/your-scarce-pocket-watches.190296/#post-1560442.

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Three nice E. Howard & Co. Model 1862-N (.k.a., "Series III") watches:

1. SN 4,094 (Civil War period), an early occurrence of gold flashed damaskeened finish, with screwed down top plate jewel settings, bimetallic expansion balance pivoted above the center wheel, quick beat (18,000 bph) train, Reed's patent main wheel, exposed stopwork, and adjusted to HCI6P according to the factory records. The 18K hunting case with pumpkin style pendant is marked for John M. Harper, a prominent retailer of Howard watches.

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2. SN 7,777, Mershon's patent rack and pin regulator (scythe style, Type 1), bimetallic expansion balance pivoted above the center wheel, Reed's patent main wheel, 18,000 bph quick train, exposed stopwork, adjusted for isochronism, heavy 18K hunting case.

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3. SN 23,473, nickel plated damskeened finish, bimetallic expansion balance pivoted below the center wheel, Reed's patented whipspring regulator (collar piece style, Type 2), exposed stopwork, 18,000 bph train, screwed down top plate jewel settings, "ADJUSTED" to HCI6P (marked), Cole's resilient banking escapement (one of approximately 20 nickel damaskeened Coles escapement movements made, and five known surviving examples). 18K Dueber hunting case. Minute hand is a short replacement.

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In a slightly different vein, here is a trio of Ingraham dollar watches commemorating Byrd and the polar exploration trips in the late 20's and 30's.

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Another triumvirate in my collection is a threesome of American Watch Co. Grade Model 1888s. These watches came in 17-, 19-, and 21-jewel variants. The 17-jewel and 21-jewel versions are quite scarce, but even the most common version, the 19-jewel model, isn't plentiful. No one knows how many of any of these versions were made. I have seen a low estimate of total OF and hunter production of up to 100 each of the 17-jewel and 21-jewel version and 500 of the 19-jewel version. The highest estimate I have seen is that about 2000 OF and 600 hunters 19-jewel movements were made and that about 109 OF and 170 hunter 21-jewel movements were made. This estimate did not address the very scarce 17-jewel version.

21-Jewel AWCO in an 18k K&B OF Case with Correct Dial, #7,000,929, Circa 1897-1900. This watch has an interesting history that I related in
https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/i-got-...in-our-collections.167420/page-2#post-1361372

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19-Jewel AWCO in a 14k Robert & Foster OF Case with Correct Dial, #5,000,581, Circa 189O-1892. Interestingly, some months after I purchased this watch, I was surprised to notice that it was the 21-jewel version. The seller, who happened to be selling two AWCO Model 1888s at the same time, had sent me the wrong one. The collector who bought the other watch was even less perceptive than me. He or she hadn't yet noticed the mistake. I had the seller arrange a watch swap. All ended well.

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19-Jewel AWCO in an 18k Waltham Hunter Case with Correct Dial, #5,000,143, Circa 1890-1892. If this watch has an interesting story, I don't know it.

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Another triumvirate in my collection is a threesome of American Watch Co. Grade Model 1888s. These watches came in 17-, 19-, and 21-jewel variants. The 17-jewel and 21-jewel versions are quite scarce, but even the most common version, the 19-jewel model, isn't plentiful. No one knows how many of any of these versions were made. I have seen a low estimate of total OF and hunter production of up to 100 each of the 17-jewel and 21-jewel version and 500 of the 19-jewel version. The highest estimate I have seen is that about 2000 OF and 600 hunters 19-jewel movements were made and that about 109 OF and 170 hunter 21-jewel movements were made. This estimate did not address the very scarce 17-jewel version.

21-Jewel AWCO in an 18k K&B OF Case with Correct Dial, #7,000,929, Circa 1897-1900. This watch has an interesting history that I related in
https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/i-got-...in-our-collections.167420/page-2#post-1361372

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19-Jewel AWCO in a 14k Robert & Foster OF Case with Correct Dial, #5,000,581, Circa 189O-1892. Interestingly, some months after I purchased this watch, I was surprised to notice that it was the 21-jewel version. The seller, who happened to be selling two AWCO Model 1888s at the same time, had sent me the wrong one. The collector who bought the other watch was even less perceptive than me. He or she hadn't yet noticed the mistake. I had the seller arrange a watch swap. All ended well.

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19-Jewel AWCO in an 18k Waltham Hunter Case with Correct Dial, #5,000,143, Circa 1890-1892. If this watch has an interesting story, I don't know it.

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Three “black” colored dials, or maybe three “center-second” timekeepers, or last but not least, three “World War II” era pieces? I call this a “triple trifecta”. The GCT watches are an Elgin and a Hamilton, and the 10-second “bomb” timer is of course Elgin. I am always amazed at the efforts of both the Elgin and Hamilton watch factories to supply military equipment. Brad Maisto, KY Floral #44 Secretary C8D84AEC-EBA9-4D9F-8E13-96D05A3DDED1.jpeg
 

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I have three Elgin lady-size hunters, all beautiful watches. I don't know why there isn't more collector interest in watches like these.

10-size18k & Enamel Frances Rubie #50,468, Circa 1869, in M & B Case
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10-size18k Grade 29 Lady Elgin, #131,778, Circa 1870, in Case Stamped MK
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0-size 14k Grade 201 Shreve PL, #7,912,618, Circa 1898, in A.W.W.Co. Case
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I know I have said it 100 times but the 19j watches of all sizes
are on my radar all the time. From 0s to 18s I want them.

Here are three Standard Hamilton 19j watches.

16s Hamilton 19j Grade 996
16s Hamilton 19j Grade 952L
18s Hamilton 19j Grade 944

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I've already shown so many trios in my US PW collection that it's getting challenging to identify new trios. Until I can identify another one, here is one more, my trio of Matalene-cased Walthams.

Matalene was a New Jersey jewelry manufacturer, now best known for having extravagantly cased hundreds or thousands of Walthams. I don't think Matalene signed his cases, but they can be identified by the patent inscription on the case of each of my trio. I believe this was Matalene's patent for a special setting mechanism. Some Matalenes also can be identified by the two layers of gold at the top of the stem just below the crown, as seen in the photos of the third watch below.

Jerry Treiman is the world's top collector of Matalenes. Because Jerry has a nose for Matalenes and vacuums them up, I only have been able to collect these dregs:

14k 10-Size Riverside A.
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18k Cigar Cutter
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14k Odd-Dialed 14-Size Riverside A
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I've just identified another trio in my American PW collection, my trio of 12-size platinum Elgin C.H. Hulburds. C.H. Hulburd, Grade 446, was Elgin's top-of-the-line presentation model in the 1920s, selling for $350-$750. The best estimate of total production is that 810 were made. They are hard to find. My baker's dozen might be the largest single collection of C.H. Hulburds. Platinum-cased C.H. Hulburds are even scarcer. The cases on my trio likely were made by Schwab & Wuischpard.

My favorite platinum Hulburd is #28,844,024, which has a spectacular engraved back cover. Platinum is a hard metal, difficult to engrave.

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Another is #28,844,031.

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My third platinum Hulburd is #29,746,186 .

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Old rookie, since you liked that trio of platinum Hulburds, here's my Hamilton, Illinois, and Waltham platinum trio.

Hamilton Masterpiece 922MP, circa 1927, #3,008,126: These were very expensive when first sold. Hamilton's list price was $825 in platinum when it was selling the same watch in 18k for "only" $303.20. My watch has an extra-charge #3A silver dial.
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Illinois Grade 439 in Unsigned Case: Grade 439 watches are scarce. 330 or 370 were made, depending on which source one consults. Platinum-case Illinois are far scarcer. This is likely one no more than a handful examples, perhaps even the only known platinum-cased Illinois.
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23j Maximus A #26,296,337 in Platinum Case Likely by Perry Marks, Circa 1920s
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Here is my trio although I only own two thirds of it. My cousin Bruce owns the third one. I will start with his. Fred McIntyre managed to keep this one when the factory was closed down in 1913. When I first saw it, I thought the monogram button signature was unique to this watch. The cuvette engraving is unique.
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This watch is the most recent member of the trio and was the second watch produced after the example above. The two watches represent the flexibility of the design. The second example is in a hunting case and is lever setting, but only the dial and the setting transfer piece differ between the two movements.
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The third watch is the most recently made. It is dated to 1927 while the previous two were made in 1911. DeLong took on a student who was a master watchmaker for a large San Diego jewelry store and taught him how to finish the watch and modify the design to his own features, It is essentially the same as the other two examples and was made from the factory ebauche material, of which a fair bit was left behind when the business shut down in 1913.
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Other watches from the factory exist including two second grade watches that omit the logo on the movement with one each of those in hunting and open face. There is also a 12 size watch with a simpler 21J movement and no winding indicator. I believe they only finished 5 watches during the brief 3 year existence.

All four of the McIntyre 16 size watches are 25 jewels with jeweling on the winding indicator mechanism and DeLong's jeweled motor barrel. The LaPorte watch has adjustable jeweled banking pins that bring the jewel count to 27 jewels.
 

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I just found another trio in my American PW collections: Three Hamilton 923s. Hamilton 923s were Hamilton's last top-of-the-line presentation watch. The 923 was the successor of the Hamilton 922MP "Masterpiece". 923s were marketed off-and-on as "Masterpieces" as well. They were 10-size watches, all factory cased, exclusively in solid gold or platinum cases as far as I know. An old ad I have lists 18k and platinum 923s as selling for $375 and $750, respectively. They were made from around 1937 to the early 1950s. Approximately 3,400 were made. For more about Hamilton 923s, see https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/small-wonders-hamilton-923-masterpiece.142829/#post-1398543.

18k Hamilton #R951, Circa 1938-1943, in Schwab & Wuischpard Case
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14k Hamilton #R2211, Circa 1946, in Hamilton-signed Case
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18k Hamilton #R2560, Circa 1947, in Schwab & Wuischpard Case
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I seem to have a nearly endless supply of trios in my American PW collections. Here's my trio of gentlemen-size Keystone-Howards.

14k 17j 10-Size, #21,213, Circa 1920s
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14k 17j 10-Size, #49,756, Circa 1920s: I think this watch is especially handsome.
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14k 12-Size, #1,172,439, Circa 1912
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With a little huffing & puffing, I've come up with another trio in my American PW collections, a threesome of solid gold South Bend Grade 431s. Apart from them, I don't collect South Bend watches. I know little about South Bend except that (ignoring South Bend's semi-mythical director's watch) Grade 431 was its top 12-size model, with 21 jewels. It was adjusted to temperature and five positions. Up to 3,000 431s were made. See https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/south-bend-431.123005/. I don't see them offered for sale very often.

The first of my trio, #619.788, is a bit of a ringer: it's a watch I bought but returned to the seller because the hands didn't match and the dial had some issues, which was a shame because it was all other respects a nice, complete example in a 14k Solidarity case.

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#619,496 is the second of my trio. It's in a 14k case, unsigned by the maker.

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#700,306 is the last of my trio. It's in a two-tone 14k Solidarity case.

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After buying the Trenton Watch Co. in 1908 Robert Ingersoll and his brother advertised watches for sale for $1.00 to $35.00 in the same ad.

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I have a trio of his best and most expensive watches. Two open face and one hunting cased 19 jewel Ingersoll-Trenton watches, adjusted to five positions, temperature and isochronism.

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I was fortunate to find this one in its original box.

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3450043 (The hunter cased watch)

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All three watches are in I-T cases, the open faced ones are in 20 year cases and the hunter is in a 25 year case.
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Three Waltham Premiers.

First an 18s model 1892 A.T.Co., #1053994817j, Adj 5 pos., dating to about 1900 and qualified for RR service.

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Second a much later 12s Waltham, marked "Premier Colonial" a model 1924 Col.b, #30501014, from 1940. A simple inexpensive watch
the marking it Premier seems to be a sales gimmick and the same goes for the 16s 1617 below.

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Lastly, a model 1908 grade 1617, 17j, Premier, #30816650, A3p, from a U.S. government contract dated 1941.

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Does anyone know if any models made previously before the '92 carried the "Premier" mark?
 
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These are the three movement sizes that Waltham produced for E.Howard & Co. and E.Howard Watch Co. from 1902 to 1905. (production quantities are for the configuration shown; 16-size and 12-size movements were also made in open-face models and bridge models, and also with higher jewel counts; the 6/0 was probably a singular prototype).
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I have been dying to post to this thread. While I have some perfect pairs, dynamic duos, and terrific twosomes, I couldn't come up with a Set of Three. That changed when I was digging through one of my tool drawers and came across an 18-size Waltham that I (almost) forgot I had.

Here is a Set of Three railroad-qualified 23J Waltham Vanguards spanning a significant part of Waltham's history from about 1907 to 1948. As the requirements of the railroads got more demanding, the number of position adjustments went up.

First, a circa 1907 18s Model 1892 A5P

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Second, a circa 1926 16s Model 1908 A6P with Up/Down indicator

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Lastly, a circa 1948 16s Model 1912 A8P

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I have been dying to post to this thread. While I have some perfect pairs, dynamic duos, and terrific twosomes, I couldn't come up with a Set of Three. That changed when I was digging through one of my tool drawers and came across an 18-size Waltham that I (almost) forgot I had.

Here is a Set of Three railroad-qualified 23J Waltham Vanguards spanning a significant part of Waltham's history from about 1907 to 1948. As the requirements of the railroads got more demanding, the number of position adjustments went up.

First, a circa 1907 18s Model 1892 A5P

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Second, a circa 1926 16s Model 1908 A6P with Up/Down indicator

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The last one says 8 adjustments, not 8 positions. I think they used heat and cold as two adjustments and isochronism as the third to give 8 adjustments with 5 positions.

It could also be 6 positions with temperature and isochronism.
 

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Very interesting, Cort. None of them are marked Addison on the movement. What Series are they? In case you haven't guessed, I'm trying to figure out if all aluminum Addisons were marked the same. Thanks!
 
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Very interesting, Cort. None of them are marked Addison on the movement. What Series are they? In case you haven't guessed, I'm trying to figure out if all aluminum Addisons were marked the same. Thanks!
Pat, They are N series but in aluminum. The dials say Addison but all the Aluminum ones I’ve seen have Waterbury signature movements. At some point the Ns were available signed either way the customer wanted. The aluminums maybe not so. I’d love to find an Addison signed one. -Cort
 

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