Seth Thomas Regulator #2

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  1. inbeat

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    My name is Jim and I am a Seth Thomas #2aholic. Back from vacation in San Diego with another #2 Seth Thomas. Nothing special, just a #2. I have possibly owned 75 of these or more over the past 30 years and currently now have 2 original and 2 Seth made "re-issues" from the 1970's. These clocks are so nicely designed that they just stand out when on the wall in your home.
     

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  2. Mike306p/Ansoniaman

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    Nice clock JJ. I was going to say that you have sold more than you bought and they still come home to roost. Nice find. Mike
     
  3. inbeat

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    I always have a keeper Mike...but usually have spare pieces/parts for them if I need them.
     
  4. Walt Wallgren

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    Hi Jim,

    Nice clock!

    I have always wanted a #2 and feel as if I don't know enough about them to plunk down the bucks to get one. I guess I consider them the 57 Chevy of the clock world, recognizable, reliable, respected. :thumb:

    I have had several questions for a while and maybe you could help me with them or point me in a direction to find my answers.

    I have heard that there is a difference in the size if the case between the original and the reissue, is that correct and what are the numbers?

    Did ST ever use an unmarked movement?

    What features of the case can help me figure out the date?

    Still looking for my first,
    Walt
     
  5. MQ32shooter

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    Great find Jim. Wish I could have kept my No. 2, but the wife was in a bad mood the day I brought it home. She said "you better have bought that for resale"!! :mad:So, like the "weanie" I am, I said, I sure did and it was gone in a week. :mad: But, on a more positive note, I know you are a ST freak. Yesterday, I bought a ST World with the 86W, 30 day movement. Man I love those big ST movements. Took it straight to the office and hung it there so I could enjoy it without any commentary from the little woman. :D
     
  6. MQ32shooter

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    Walt, just saw your question about if all of the ST movements were marked. Mine was not, however I had to talk to Jim (Inbeat) for his input when I bought mine as he is the Seth Thomas No. 2 expert on the board. He can probably tell you what years they were not marked, then when they started marking them. He is a wealth of knowledge on the ST's.
     
  7. Walt Wallgren

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    Thanks, MQ

    Yeah, I hope he notices and comes back. If not, I guess I will have to PM him or maybe start another thread. Maybe the questions I have might be shared by others.

    Walt
     
  8. harold bain

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    I recall a few years ago someone here was making up a chart that showed the different case styles and dates when changes were made on the #2's, but I can't find the thread with a quick search. Perhaps someone with more time than I have today might be able to find it.
    Mel, nice find. I also enjoy these big 86 movements, easy to work on, and quite robust.:thumb:
     
  9. Brian Smith

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    The ST #2 id chart can be found at Mackeysclockrepair.com. Click on Clock Makers History, then click on Set Thomas #2 regulator Identification. The chart can be found on other sites as well.
     
  10. MQ32shooter

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    Thanks for the link Brian. Good information.
     
  11. Kevin W.

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    I really like the 86 movement in my grandfather clock. I know how easy it can be to get hooked to them. A no 2 or a World clock would sure be a nice find, one day i hope. For the money i cant see buying a repro. Maybe ok for some,. but for me i want the real thing.
     
  12. Walt Wallgren

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    Thanks, Brian,

    I will check it out in the morning.

    Walt
     
  13. inbeat

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    Just a quick answer...Early rectangle S/T #61 movements were not marked...always unmarked with the clocks with three piece "bowtie"...later #61 were marked....all trapazoid 77, 77A, 77B, etc, were marked. The mark was Seth THomas logo and usually made in USA.....I currently have where I can see them, a reissue #2, a #2 with the 61 movement and a #2 with the 77B movement....all are the same size. The reissue looks just like the #2 with the 61 movement because that is the one that they copied. The movement in the reissue does not have the Seth logo, but does have a large number 61 on it. Hope this helps...BtW, the guide that we are talking about is a good start but is not totally accurate.
     
  14. Walt Wallgren

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    Thanks, Jim,

    Collecting a few more pieces of the puzzle does help the old confidence level and with what I have learned in the last several days, makes me feel a bit safer when looking a supposed #2's.

    Walt
     
  15. jere dorough

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    Good info in this thread

    I have what I think is an "early" ST#2 with an unmarked rectangular movement, the label is the same as on my Umbria. Also have either a Plymouth Hollow ST#2 or maybe it's an ST#1. Don't know how to tell which model it is.
     
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    The early S/T #2's did have an unmarked rectangle movement.
     
  17. jacks61fd

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    I believe the early #2's did not have a seconds bit and hand, the #1's always had the seconds bit.
     
  18. PatH

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    There is another thread right now on determining the age of a #2 that might be helpful as it includes a link to the identification guide. It has certainly been enlightening to me.
     
  19. jere dorough

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    thanks for info about seconds hand. the dial on my st#1/st#2 does not have a second hand, but the movement does have a second hand post (pic attached). maybe i've bought a lemon

    st #1 plymouth hollow.jpg
     

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