Seth Thomas Private Label Research

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Please post your Seth Thomas private label watches in this thread. When posting, please include photos whenever possible (obeying copyright law, of course). For the description, please provide the serial number, model and grade information, and any information you have obtained about the retailer who's name appears on the watch. The more information, the better. We would like to make this more than just a list. It will, hopefully, become a prime resource for private label research. Thanks in advance to all who contribute!
 

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Eric Unselt maintains a database of Seth Thomas private labels at this site: Seth Thomas Watches. (Scroll almost to the end. But, there's a lot of interesting information in between!)
 
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In 1900 the U.S. Census reported Cuba, N.Y. had less than 2,400 residents, yet this small town had two jewelers order and sell Seth Thomas private label watches made within a few years of each other. I have previously shown both of these but think they are worthy of another posting. Both are 17 jewel model 5's and marked adjusted, I think they are both grade 182.

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Both have private label dials.

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In doing research on these watches I was able to find a picture postcard of the C.H. Gros store. The card was postmarked in Cuba in 1901.

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As late as April, 2016 the building where Gros had his establishment was still in existence even though the numeric address has changed from 8 W. Main to 13 W. Main.

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Dave , I have one to show ! 285933 P/Label for Schrieber

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Kevin,
I'm not sure that this is the correct balance cock.
First, the damaskeen doesn't seem to match the other plates, and
second, there doesn't appear to be any trace of a micrometer regulator ever being affixed to the cock. The adjoining serial numbers in our database (we have both 285932 and 285934) both have the "short arm" micrometer regulator.
You might want to pull the balance and see if the numbers stamped underneath the cock match.
Also, is the movement pendant or lever set?
Please let us know.
 
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Ed , 285933 is pendant set , at to the other I will let you know

edit: the serial matches , fully stamped , it is missing the regulator , the holes are there . now I can sleep , I don't feel a mix-matched balance cock matters , but in the real world it does -by 50% of the value
 
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Ed , 285933 is pendant set , at to the other I will let you know

edit: the serial matches , fully stamped , it is missing the regulator , the holes are there . now I can sleep , I don't feel a mix-matched balance cock matters , but in the real world it does -by 50% of the value
Glad to here that all the numbers match, I just couldn't see the mounting holes in the photo. Micrometer Seth Thomas parts can be a little hard to locate, but they can be found.
 

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92290- J.M. Bigwood Terre Haute, Ind. signed dial and mv't model 2. 546635- BHA Garden City. no dial model 3. 717767- Montgomery Ward Co Chicago "20th Century" two tone no dial. 748340- Mongomery Ward Co Chicago "20th Century two tone dial says 20th Century.
 

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I think this is a bit of a low grade private label Seth Thomas.
It is a Lever brothers of New York , serial number 140747.... that's all I know about it apart from it came in a job lot of pocket watches I bought, unfortunately the dial is badly cracked.

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Please post your Seth Thomas private label watches in this thread. When posting, please include photos whenever possible (obeying copyright law, of course). For the description, please provide the serial number, model and grade information, and any information you have obtained about the retailer who's name appears on the watch. The more information, the better. We would like to make this more than just a list. It will, hopefully, become a prime resource for private label research. Thanks in advance to all who contribute!
Hi Dave ! I just posted for the first time a couple of days ago so I'm not too good at things yet. Still Learning. I came across this thread and thought I could help with some pics of my Seth Thomas private label. I think it is all original. It's another Earle label with the serial 76746. Has the Earle dial in good shape. It's obviously a model 2 but I don't know how to tell the grade...sorry :(.
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I forgot to mention that it looks like a 15 jewel but I haven't had it apart to confirm. Pocket watch database says it s 15 jewel and lists it as a grade 71. Also ...it is lever set.
 

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Yes, this is a Model 2, all were hunting movements.
Is the movement pendant or lever set?
I have 3 or 4 Model 2's that are of course hunting .....but I didn't know that all model 2's were. Thanks for the info. Nice to learn new things and I have a lot of learning to do lol.
 

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For most of the companies Model 1 = KW, Model 2 = Hunting and Model 3 = Open face.
 
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For most of the companies Model 1 = KW, Model 2 = Hunting and Model 3 = Open face.
To add to Tom's information, all Model 5's (SN 200,001 to 352,000) are full plate, open face. There is no corresponding hunting model.
 
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Seth Thomas model 6 (open face) & 7 (hunting) with an eagle engraved on the movement are interesting. Eagles that Seth Thomas used vary in size and stance. Movement markings also vary.

Here is my model 7 with a private label dial and a different small eagle from the eagle on Tim's movement. Notice my movement does not have the Seth Thomas name. My dial is for A. Eichler.

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You are right. If Lee's watch is a pendant set movement it is a grade 169. and if it is lever set it is a grade 189

I do not see the word adjusted on the movement.
Sorry. That earlier post must have been entered by my evil twin. I don't know where he got Grade 168. It is Grade 189, as luvsthetick suggests. Photos below.

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I was able to finally find one that Eric Unselt Research Site (https://seththomasresearch.com/watches) did not have because it was listed as a "W. E. Cross" watch instead of a Seth Thomas M2! The good folks at the NY Montgomery County Department of History and Archives were able to come through with a lot of history of Mr. Cross (attached PDF file) but also a picture of his store, which through the magic of Google Maps, I was able to get a modern day shot of same.
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Circa 1908 Seth Thomas SN 275949, 15J, Gr159

Adolph Schlosser

BIRTH 20 Nov 1878
Colfax County, Nebraska, USA
DEATH 23 Oct 1965 (aged 86)
Fremont, Dodge County, Nebraska, USA

Spouse:
Emily Gesina Lueke Schlosser
BIRTH 20 Jun 1878
Platte County, Nebraska, USA
DEATH 9 Dec 1970 (aged 92)
Omaha, Douglas County, Nebraska, USA

Adolph was in the jewelry business for about 25 years beginning in Dodge Nebraska in 1905. In Dodge, he was active in civic affairs and a member of the village board for 15 years. He and his wife Emily moved to Scribner, Nebraska in 1938. He was appointed a state deputy sheriff, employed by the State Liquor Commission in 1935 and continued that work until he retired about 1953.

May 20, 1920 - The Colfax County Press, Colfax County, Nebraska
The rest of the world does not seem to have anything on our second neighboring town of Dodge. First it was famous through Jos. Stecher's peerless career and now Adolph Schlosser, the Dodge jeweler, united it with the world through the operation of his wireless outfit. Last Sunday's Omaha Bee made the following comment on Mr. Schlosser's establishing of the station:
"Time flies."
This means nothing to two Nebraska jewelers and whether it be new time or old time, "God's time or Wilson's time," as the observatory calculations are flashed across the country, they set their chronometers.
Tickings of the lowly telegraph instrument are not dependent upon by these wide-awake men. High powered wireless stations have been installed to catch the daily flashes given out from Annapolis, Md., at 11 a. m., and San Diego, Calif., at 2 p.m.
Ed B. Fanske of Pierce and A. Schlosser of Dodge are leaders in their profession in this state to give their customers the advantage of the most nearly correct time obtainable each lay. Crowds throng their respective places of business each day to learn if their watches have deviated.

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Seeing Dave's post of his model 2 made me realize I have one that I have not posted in this thread, thus I am adding it now.

#92274, a 17 jewel model 2 grade 80 for William G. Earle of Philadelphia.

Of the Seth Thomas PL watches for Earle on the Seth Thomas research site (Seth Thomas Watches), this is the only 17 jewel that Eric has recorded to date.



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