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My newest clock i recently bought from a long time friend.
Needs a bit more work but it,s happily ticking along. DSC02504.JPG
 

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Excellent clock, Kevin. Looks like mahogany? I'm sure it's your new favorite clock, too. I am always so tempted to get one of those. I had an oak ST #2 once...unfortunately it had some veneer issues + I sold it. I wouldn't mind having yours.
 

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Your long term friend will likely regret parting with the timepiece. I regard the ST No. 2 as a classic example of simplicity with a modicum of elegance.

The ST No. 2 probably regulated the day of every elementary school child in its long history and it taught children to be prompt and on-time.
 

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Your long term friend will likely regret parting with the timepiece. I regard the ST No. 2 as a classic example of simplicity with a modicum of elegance.

The ST No. 2 probably regulated the day of every elementary school child in its long history and it taught children to be prompt and on-time.
Very nice looking clock. They also supplied the time at banks, post offices, R.R. stations and .............................................on and on!
 

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IMHO yours is the nicest looking ST2 model. My ST2 "re-issue" clock from the early 1970's was based on your model, though the case is a smidge longer. I'd love to have an original like yours, but they are quite costly even in fairly beat-up condition. Even the "real" ST2 "re-issues" (made in a run of 4000) aren't cheap these days. I bought mine earlier this year for exactly what they cost in 1972... There's a Canadian outfit that makes ST2 copies that go for about $1000 or so.

I'd love to see pics of the movement.
 

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Hello Neuron, i will try to get some pics up for you, i have a few on my computer. I thought about re issues and the replica ones, but really did not see spending that kind of money on one that was not the genuine article. My friend i believe told me he has two Seth No 2 clocks still in his collection. I like them very much and i can see why everyone likes them so much.
 

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Here are a few pictures i took after i had it out and cleaned the movement. 20141107_184931.jpg 20141107_184908-001.jpg
 

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Shines like a new dollar!
I'm getting ready to do mine. Bought a new brass cable for mine, but the diameter is smaller than what it currently had on it. And I see you aren't using brass? Didn't know that was an option.
 

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I have not seen any with brass cable. I think the cord is kinder to it, less wear. It works fine so far.
 

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I like the idea, but I thought they were all brass cabled up til now.
What size cord are you using and where did you get it?
 

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Dave it had this cord on it when i bought it. I can measure it for you.
 

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Dave after reading and talking with my buddy who has knowledge of these clocks. He agrees with me, better to go with the brass cable, at least you know it will not rot.
 

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Kevin, Thanks for the info. I studied it some and came to the same conclusion. Some use brass cable, some don't. Now all I have to do is figure out how to fasten the ends.
 

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Good question Dave, i was just thinking the same thing. Maybe a knot, i don,t know.
 

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I have two in oak. One is an original #2 with the boat tail bottom. The other one is a reissue and is #0658 of 4000. I came by the reissue at a live auction back a few years ago for $55.00.

Before I retired, I worked in the Washington DC area. An old clock repairman once told me, with the on-set of electric clocks, there were wagon loads of #2's removed from Federal Office Buildings and hauled to the dump. I would hope this was a tall tale, but it does sound plausible.
 

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Kevin, Thanks for the info. I studied it some and came to the same conclusion. Some use brass cable, some don't. Now all I have to do is figure out how to fasten the ends.
I use a strong fishing line. It doesn't birdsnest every time you remove the weight, like brass cable would. I use Stren Sonic Braid, 50 pound test.
 

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My two cents regarding clock cord: Merritt's, Timesavers, and most other supply houses sell wonderful braided light tan clock cord in several strengths. It is cheap. It is made right here in Rhode Island. I use it in tall case clocks, ogees, Vienna regulators, rare pillar & scrolls, banjo timepieces, and wall clocks of all types. It doesn't fray, it doesn't break. It is a pleasing color, not bright white,and so doesn't need to be colored. It is nylon, so the application of a flame from a match or lighter allows it to be brought to a sharp point for threading through small holes in winding barrels, and the same is done to seal the end of the cord just out past the knot. It's not suitable for large Elliot or Durfee or Tiffany style hall clocks, but works splendidly for most others.

I buy it for several reasons- first, it is well thought out and perfect for what it does, taking the guesswork out of buying fishing cord or some other line. Secondly, it is made in U.S.A., so its manufacture employs Americans. Thirdly, while we hardly ever think about it, giving our business to established clock supply houses instead of big box stores keeps them (the suppliers) in business, which is obviously to our benefit, as well as theirs, in the long run.

Almost every weight driven clock that comes through my shop is strung with something ridiculous, like monofilament fishing line or cotton twine. One pillar and splat I recently restored had what I think was one strand of a piece of yellow plastic lobster pot rope for the weight cords.

So, there, I've said it. Everyone has an opinion, take mine for what it's worth.
 

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I use a strong fishing line. It doesn't birdsnest every time you remove the weight, like brass cable would. I use Stren Sonic Braid, 50 pound test.
I second the use of 50lb test braided fishing line. I use Cortlandt brand line, which I think is made of braided Dacron. Unlike the traditional catgut it should last forever. It won't stretch or rot, and unlike brass wire won't birdsnest.

BTW, Kev's movement looks like the ST 61, which was used (I think) in the earlier models, later replaced by the trapezoidal 71, 71A, and 71B. The ST-2 re-issues used a Hermle-made copy of the 61, and was marked "ST" (without the circle found on the original 61's). I understand that some of the original ST movements were not marked. I assume that Kev's movement is one of those that ST left unmarked, and is certainly in great condition. The 61's had the motion works inside the plates, whereas the 77's had the motion works outside the front plate. Both have Graham deadbeat escapements. Some of the ST-2's (I think the earlier ones) didn't have a seconds bit attached to the EW arbor.
 

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My two cents regarding clock cord: Merritt's, Timesavers, and most other supply houses sell wonderful braided light tan clock cord in several strengths. It is cheap. It is made right here in Rhode Island. I use it in tall case clocks, ogees, Vienna regulators, rare pillar & scrolls, banjo timepieces, and wall clocks of all types. It doesn't fray, it doesn't break. It is a pleasing color, not bright white,and so doesn't need to be colored. It is nylon, so the application of a flame from a match or lighter allows it to be brought to a sharp point for threading through small holes in winding barrels, and the same is done to seal the end of the cord just out past the knot. It's not suitable for large Elliot or Durfee or Tiffany style hall clocks, but works splendidly for most others.

I buy it for several reasons- first, it is well thought out and perfect for what it does, taking the guesswork out of buying fishing cord or some other line. Secondly, it is made in U.S.A., so its manufacture employs Americans. Thirdly, while we hardly ever think about it, giving our business to established clock supply houses instead of big box stores keeps them (the suppliers) in business, which is obviously to our benefit, as well as theirs, in the long run.

Almost every weight driven clock that comes through my shop is strung with something ridiculous, like monofilament fishing line or cotton twine. One pillar and splat I recently restored had what I think was one strand of a piece of yellow plastic lobster pot rope for the weight cords.

So, there, I've said it. Everyone has an opinion, take mine for what it's worth.
No argument about the unsuitability of monofilament fishing line or cotton twine for stringing clock weights... I haven't checked out the braided clock cord sold by Timesavers et al., but I doubt it is any better than "braided monofilament" fish line (which is made of some synthetic material, not sure if its Dacron or Nylon). I suspect they buy it from the guys who make fishing line, and I'd be surprised if it costs less than the stuff I can buy from my local tackle shop.
 

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Thanks everyone for their thoughts on this subject. My Becker regulator has the fishing line that Harold B mentioned. I know what i will replace the cord with on my no 2. Ron i would agree with you. Pequegnat clocks in Canada seem to be holding their values.
 

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For using brass cable. What do you use on the ends , do you just knot it.
 

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For using brass cable. What do you use on the ends , do you just knot it.
I'll wait for an answer on this one. I need to restring mine too.
Looks like the old cable was wrapped around the post and soldered.
 

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