Seth Thomas movement id

Vernon

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I would like to find out what this movement may have gone with? It is a Seth Thomas and has a suspension which is 9 inches from post to where a bob would hang from. What I want to do is buy a dial and hands that are appropriate to hang it in the shop. Any help would be appreciated.

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Hello Vernon,

You have the 123A which Tran Duy Ly says was used in the Office No. 1 circa 1924. It is a square box with a brass bezel. I could not find any pictures on Google images.

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Thanks for your help Jim. It looks like Seth used spade hands on many of their clocks.
 

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Hello Vernon,

Page 333 of Tran's Seth Thomas Clocks and Movements, Volume 1, shows the catalogue picture, a picture of the movement and a picture of the clock from a collection. The captions below the pictures are below. They have the dimensions of the box. The front of the box has mitred corners and the oak sides are flush with the oak front. The hands shown are skinny spades and the numerals are Arabic. There is nothing in Tran re the pendulum bob.

Strange, but there are Offices clocks 1 to 6, from 1874 to 1924, and there is no common theme in the group except for No.'s 2 and 3, which are somewhat similar (both short drop octagons).

catalogue

Mahogany and old oak. Dial, 12 inches. Height, 15
inches. Width, 15 inches. Eight day pendulum time
movement No. 123-A or eight day pendulum strike
movement No. 89-A. Oak not made in strike.

collection photo

Oak case. 8-day time only. 12-inch dial. 15-inch
square. Depth, 4 1/4 inches.

It looks pretty easy to build.

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Hello Vernon,

Woops. I didn't look well enough. It is not just Office 1 to 6, they go up to 16. The link is to an Office No. 11, 1921, looks exactly like the No. 1, but has a different movement. Still couldn't find a No. 1 on Google images but the 11 is the same case, I think. A search on Google images for "Seth Thomas Office clock", no number, shows other box clocks with the front extending past the sides and the front is a door for the dial.

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There is also a bigger version, 16 1/4 inches square, larger dial and different spring movement (1940) called the Senate on page 336 in Tran's book. .

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Hey Jim, it looks like my movement is stamped 123B. You mentioned 123A which I didn't catch until now☹. Will that change anything as far as case style or hands etc? Thank you.
 

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Hello Vernon,

Tran has a 123 and the 123 A in the movement description section in Vol 2. Nothing else. However, in scanning the Movements Table section, I found that there are others. The following is what I found, with omissions, no doubt. All appear to be hanging clocks. I will wager that these all look the same and only differ in drop.

123 some banjos, Nursery, Square Nursery, Kitchen
123 A Arctic, Chatham. Office No. 1
123 B 8" Drop Octagon
123 C 10" Drop Octagon
123 D 12" Drop Octagon
123 E Globe (later, pointy bottom)

Since you are looking for a "shop clock", you can build anything you want that will accommodate the 123 B which came out of an 8" drop octagon unless you feel the need to reproduce the 8" drop octagon.

Jim
 

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Jim,
Thanks again for your very detailed help. It means a lot.
Vernon
 
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