Seth Thomas Early Regulator no 2 dial without a second bit

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  1. Acart

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    I am looking for a dial for an Early Seth Thomas Regulator No.2 without a second bit.

    Does anyone know where you can purchase a Seth Thomas Dial without a second bit that is 12 3/8 inches in diameter? Is that the correct dimension for the Early Seth Thomas Regulator number 2 with Roman numerals?

    Any help will be appreciated.
     
  2. harold bain

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    You could try The Dial House. I'm pretty sure they could make one for you. If you have a case without a dial, you should be able to measure about what it needs. The dial on mine is a hair short of 12 1/2 inches, but it is a reproduction case, and I don't know with any certainty that the dial is original. It does have Roman numerals. The movement is an original, as is the pendulum and weight.
     
  3. Raymond Rice

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    Are you positive it never had a second bit?

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  4. Joe Hollen

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    Hello Acart:

    You can buy 11 5/8th" dials with no seconds bit that are intended for Seth Thomas clocks, from "Timesavers". They have "Seth Thomas" in large letters on the face of the dial just like the No 2... They are new manufacture. Because they are new you should consider if you would want a "fairly new look" or if you're looking for "crazing", or an "aged look". If you're looking for the aged look you can do no better than the Dial House ! ... But, I can tell you that you'll pay 5x to 10X more for a "Dial House dial" than the one on the Timesavers website...

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  5. Joe Hollen

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    This is what the dial from Timesavers looks like (minus the "Seth Thomas" which I remove when I use them on my reproduction "Dunning" regulators)...

    Joe


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  6. Acart

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    Joe,
    Thanks for your response.

    How do you remove the "Seth Thomas" form the dial? Do you match the paint and paint over the name or scrub the name off with chemical (paint thinner, etc.) or solids (like sand paper)? Interesting. Picture looks good.

    Allen
     
  7. Acart

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    Joe,

    The Dial that I would like to replace is for the clock as pictured. The dial does not look that bad in the photo but it is bad and has been poorly painted over. I don't want to go to the doll house since the expense will be quite high. The 11 5/8 inches dial is too small. I am positive that it never had a second bit scale since there is no second bit arbor. I may try what provide with removing the bit scale and one day go to the expense ($400.00 +) for a doll house repaint. Doll house does a really great job I must say. Seth thomas number 2 dial.jpg

    Allen
     
  8. harold bain

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    It does look very similar to my reproduction cased #2. You could possibly make or have made a paper replacement to go over your existing dial as a cheaper method of restoring it. I don't think the Dial House would charge that much to redo your dial, but paper would be lots cheaper.
     

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  9. Joe Hollen

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    Hello Acart:

    I scrape the "Seth Thomas" off "ever so gently" with a very sharp X-acto knife. I position the cutting side of the blade straight-down so that the whole blade does the "scraping" , not just the "tip". I try to hit just the black paint, but inevitably I do scrape the "white areas"... After that, I put my name on the dial over the area scraped and then put about 3 to 4 coats of spray-on Polyeurethane on the dial. This gives it a slight aged "yellowed" look, and it masks the "scraped area"...

    A nice looking clock the one you have probably "deserves" a Dial House dial ! Just my humble opinion :) They do fantastic work...

    Joe
     
  10. Acart

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    Joe,

    Thanks for the help and replying to my questions. I will consider the options. You have been a great help.

    Allen
     
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    It would be interesting to see a picture of your movement and the weight used whenever you have the dial off. There are pictures of very early ST # 2 Regulators on page 274 of Tran's book without second bits, but no pictures of the movement. It would also be interesting to know if the movements were marked or not.

    It is not everyday you get a chance to see something new and is not in your reference books.
     

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