Help seperating the arbor from the cap

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  1. Clockinit

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    Hello Peoples.... I am trying to change a mainspring on an ANSONIA mantel clock...What's the secret to seperating the arbor from the barrel cap/gear?

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  2. Clockinit

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    ....I'm just noticing that there is what appears to be a rivet on the outside of the barrel, that seems to be locking in the extreme opposite end of the spring...Am i seeing this right?? what would be the procedure for extracting the spring from the barrel?...first off, I still need to know how to separate this arbor from the cap....
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    Bob

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  3. Kevin W.

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    Do you have a main spring winder?
     
  4. Willie X

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    You don't. But, I think your worded your question wrong ...

    Looks like you need to remove the spring from it's retainer, it's not really a barrel. To do this you will need a spring winder. Then make an arbor similar to the original, then wind up the spring and take it out of the retainer sleeve, as you would for a normal barrel.

    Look up 'removing springs from a 124 Seth Thomas'. The 124 is made just like your Ansonia and there are many post on this subject.

    Good luck,. Willie X
     
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  5. Clockinit

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    yes I have a winder....make an arbor? Huh?...alright...let me do some research...
     
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    Or look through your parts drawer to find one that will work.
     
  7. R. Croswell

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    Not exactly. The "rivet" is sort of a little post with a small head on the inside of the "barrel" (often called a spring box) over which a hole in the end of the spring hooks. Once the spring is wound and captured in a sleeve using a spring winder the sleeve and spring are rotated backward a few degrees and the spring will unhook from the "rivet" and can then be slipped out.

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  8. Clockinit

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    OK...I sort of figured that's how it is gonna be...I just need to figure out what I'm gonna do for an arbor...Let me see what I can come up with...Thanks guys...I'll get back to ya!! ;)
     
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  9. Clockinit

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    I had 3 arbors in my drawer and all 3 were the wrong direction...I flipped the arbor around and was able to man-handle it ...at east for one of them...the other I pulled out as if I was removing a broken mainspring...The one is captured.... I should be able to capture the 2 new ones. I really need to get an arbor going in the right direction....HMMM?
     
  10. Willie X

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    Just file off the upset metal and drill a 1/16" hole, all the way through the arbor.
    Tap in a steel tapered pin, or make a pin from soft mild steel. When the pin is installed and tight, saw the pin off about 1/8" proud of the arbor. Then place the arbor on an anvil and peen the top of the pin to a nice mushroom shape and stop, no filing.

    The mushroom shape will work in both directions and some old American clocks were made that way at the start.

    Note, peening is done by applying many many very light taps with a small
    (4 ounce) hammer with a rounded polished face. A little job like this will take probably take 100 to 200 taps.

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  11. Clockinit

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    Wow!! Sounds like a hoot Willie!! I'm gonna do it..That arbor, is it EZ to drill a hole through it? You guys are gonna make a craftsman outta me yet!!:nutjob:
     
  12. Vernon

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    Should be soft enough to drill. Lay it in a v block so that it doesn't roll then center punch first then drill using some cutting fluid or oil. I just made a whole new arbor today in preparation to deal with my first ST.124.

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  13. Clockinit

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    I have the arbor filed down, the hole drilled and just about have the fabricated steel pin completed, and ready to cut to size and then peened....who'da thunk:???:
     
  14. Clockinit

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    there it is Willie X......;)
    Thanks,
    Bob

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    That looks very good. In this business you have to be inventive :)
     
  16. Willie X

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    That looks like a good one. Willie
     
  17. Clockinit

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    Thanks Guys...It's that kinda stuff that makes m feel like i accomplished something!! That and correcting a mis-behaving clock!!:)
     

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