Seiko 101 Auto-cleaner watch cleaning machine.

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  1. aussieclockmaker

    aussieclockmaker New Member

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    HELP!!!
    I have a Automatic watch cleaning machine, on the front it has Auto-cleaner 101 made by Fuji Denshi Kogyo (usually known as "The Seiko Machine" ). And would be at least 30 plus years old.It has been running fine for many years without fault.
    It has a pug in ultrasonic attachment that fits inside the number 2 glass jar and then plugs in with two prongs into the top of the machine.
    Just recently the ultrasonic function has stopped working and I suspect the problem is the transducer as the connections in the jar are quite corroded. Has anyone had one of these machines repaired or a had a compatible transducer fitted?
    Any information to get my old reliable machine up and going again including any technical information, wiring diagram or help in general would be greatly accepted.
     
  2. PeteH

    PeteH New Member

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    Hello!

    I just spotted your post, and you probably solve this problem already.
    But, anyway, here is scanned version of Auto-Cleaner 101 Manual and Parts List. Both have a wiring diagram... :)
     

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  3. Dean Johnston

    Dean Johnston New Member

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    Hi
    I noticed this post and wondered if you fixed the problem. I have the same issue. The bottom wire had detached from the transducer but when soldered back it still won't go. Who has parts for these things?
     
  4. Jack Freedman

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    I sent you a PM. If you haven't received it, feel free to contact me direct at: jfsuperior @aol.com (leave out space before @)
    Regards,
    Jack
     
  5. trim

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    WOW thanks, just what I was after!

    Much appreciate that you kindly made this available.

     
  6. Raylaw

    Raylaw Newbie

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    Hi there,
    HELP!
    I have just broken one of the jars on my cleaning machine!
    Does anyone know where i can get a replacement product?
    Thanks
     
  7. Robert Piker

    Robert Piker Registered User

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    Hello,
    I know your post goes back a bit, but did you ever discover how to repair your ultrasonic in your Seiko cleaner. I have one, too, and love it but the ultrasonic jars (2 of them) have not worked since I've owned it.
    Thanks,
    Bob
    bob@mybob.net
     
  8. jeanserres

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    Hi!. I've a CL-101 Fuji Denshi Kogyo K.K. Autocleaner machinne, and i need to know the steps for adjust it, to turn to every jar and stop to wash.

    If you know too, a part number code for every item of these machine, please tell me where i found it.

    Thanks a lot.
     
  9. roughbarked

    roughbarked Registered User

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    My experience is this. The ultrasonics eat themselves out of business. The action of the ultrasonic eats the soldder off the connections. You can easily resolder them until the ultrasonic eats the rest of the connection off too. The jars are very thin and can break easiily by any slight misalignment of the machine as it descends into each jar and rises out. One of these machines purchased in 1980 has been sitting idle in the shop for at least 15 years because not only the resoldering of the ultrasonic contacts eventually failed and three jars have big chips out of them but mainly because the dryer cooks all of the plastic parts in modern quartz watches.
     
  10. jeanserres

    jeanserres Registered User

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    Thanks. I try to aligne the wash basket into the center of the jar. its 2 grade out of center of them. How i can fix it? thanks again.
     
  11. roughbarked

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    Have you read the manual yet?
     
  12. jeanserres

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    Yes, but its dont show how to calibrate the wash basket to center position of the jar... I have a user manual, digital and phisical. Do you know how it is? thanks
     
  13. roughbarked

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    Does your built in emergency stopping device work?
     
  14. jeanserres

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    No!... the machine sequence is working correctly but the centered 6 positions over the jares are out of center .. Where are the 6 centering adjustments to center them . . .and basket go down correctly without touching border of jares.?thank you
     
  15. roughbarked

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    I'll have a look when I go in to work. I'll probably have to take the cover off but I'll be doing it during shop time. It has been taking up space in the workshop for years. If I could get new jars and new ultrasonics(been resoldered as much as possible) and find a way to turn the heater off or turn the thermostat down, I'd put it back to use.

    I also have a three jar version here at home, earlier model but it quite clearly has its mechanism viewable though I've never had to adjust this one nor has it broken any jars.
     
  16. jeanserres

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    Turning off the heater so that it worked only when you want is easy. I can tell you how and where in the circuit with a new diagram added to the original.
    To mine I put a switch to the motor circuit of the time to lengthen the functions that I want according to what this washing.
    If you want me to design it, let me know to add the original diagram and the instructions on how to do it or install it and the pieces that will be needed.
    I hope you can find the points of adjustment of the positions of the jugs, because I handle the electronics that is my trade but the mechanics is for me something more difficult.
    Well, I hope you can guide me in focusing the fall of the jars
     
  17. roughbarked

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    OK. Well I'll probably have to do it on a day that I'm not getting paid to work. I'll have to pull the top off for a look. Maybe the bottom as well. The boss may even be happy for me to remove it from the workshop and fix it at home. I'd reckon that there is some electrical switchery going on that could be part of the positional adjustment of the arm movements but again there will be a mechanical component. I'll have a chat with the shop owner. It is his machine but all it has done for the past 15 years, is sit there looking like a stupid waste of space. It would be good to get the ultrasonics working again but not absolutely necessary.
     
  18. Robert Piker

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    Any ideas as to why the belt seems to be slipping and not grabbing as it should? if I manually push the belt to advance the basket, it will go into a jar and spin forever.
     
  19. roughbarked

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    It isn't always a belt that slips. Have you actually had a look?
     
  20. Robert Piker

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    it does come off occasionally and historically I just slipped it back on and all was fine. Now, even though it's on, advancing from one jar to another doesn't seem to take place unless I manually push the belt gears. And when I press on the belt I can get it to advance somewhat, over and over.
     
  21. roughbarked

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    a new belt could solve the issue. Have you looked to see if there is adjustment to tighten the belt? Anyway a handy trick to know is that a sprinkle of Ajax bleach powder can make a slipping belt stop slipping.
     
  22. Robert Piker

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    I wonder how I could find a matching belt. I am going to try your ajax idea. it sounds promising. I'll look closer, too, to see if there is a belt-tightening adjustment. Thanks, my friend.
     
  23. roughbarked

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    I'm possibly lucky to be in an intensive agricultural area. I can go down to the local engineering shop and find aisles of belts of all types. Measure your belt. There may be one at a shop near you.

    The ajax works. I use it on my self tipping hoist. It has to lift more than 70 kg.

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  24. Robert Piker

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    Hello, again.It's been awhile and I ended up putting my cleaner aside and have been using another but I'd sure like to get it running again, so I'm back at it. The ajax idea didn't do the trick. There is not an adjustment to be found which would allow me to stretch the belt a bit further. It sits on track, but seems to be ever so loose so won't grab well and ultimately slips off. I measured the center distance between the 2 wheels and got 33mm. It isn't quite a 1/4" wide. Any ideas as to where I could find a similar replacement belt? Or, is it possible to shrink this belt a bit? I am considering applying heat to shrink it a bit for a tighter grip on the wheels. My suspicion is that time has ultimately caused it to stretch. I had used it for a few years without any problems, with the exception of the ultrasonics never working, and it would be great if I could get her going again. Thanks!
     
  25. watchwldr940

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    Have you tried watchmakers' lathe belting? One cuts the length needed then heats the ends and fuses them together while molten, or almost molten. Or uses a splice thingamagig that is available through any clock or watch repair source... George
     
  26. GBOflyer

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    Hi All
    I know this is a very old thread but having just joined the NAWCC forum I'm going through site looking for articles of interest to myself.

    I have a 101 machine and after breaking a jar and not being able to find a replacement, decided to modify it to take the stronger and more available Elma jars. This is not a trivial conversion as I had to make an extension piece to move the motor unit higher in order to clear the higher Elma jars. The downside is that I have currently lost the Ultrasonic capability but plan to use a round stainless steel tank for station 2 with a modern transducer and electronic drive unit similar to those used on modern Asian jewellery cleaners. I could have adapted the original US system to fit the Elma jars but I'm not sure the "wet" transducer arrangement is entirely safe given the high voltages needed to power the transducer. I like the 101 because it is a compact 6 station machine but unlike the L&R Tempo 400 it doesn't have individual duration timers for each station nor the periodic rotation reversal of the basket motor. I intend to address these shortcomings but again they are not trivial design changes and since I now use a Greiner Ultrason U cleaning machine it isn't my top priority. The Ultrason U is more suited to my occasional cleaning needs as it uses a water based 1st station tank with ultrasonic and a single 2nd station tank using isopropyl alcohol. The machine has an inbuilt distillation feature so the second tank can be flushed and then replenished with pure iso. As a retired electronic design engineer I have serviced most cleaning machines currently being used so can advise about their workings or repair.

    Having modified my 101 I now have 4 of their glass tanks available as spares to anyone in need.

    Clive
     
  27. Ado213

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    @GBOflyer. Newbie here, I know this is an old post but does anyone have a spare glass jar for a 101, Broke one of mine !!

    I'm more than happy to pay for it,
     
  28. GBOflyer

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    Hi ADO213

    I'm in the UK and have a spare 101 jar but not sure how to contact you.
     
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