Seeland watch co.

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Hello,

i saw an old thread about the "Seeland watch co"

We had made a thread in an german PW-Forum too.

I come with new pictures which can show an "Seeland watch co." cal. that looks like an IWC cal.

It is interesting, it can be from 1885-1890. IWC started with cal. 52/53 at 1893.

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Is this cal. a result of stolen movement-papers from IWC by F. Seeland. Or Seeland has some spy's ?
Or the "Seeland watch co." used only the name "Seeland" and produced a roughly calibre to IWC?

Many questions are still waiting for answer !
 

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I have not found any connection between Frederick Seeland and the Seeland Watch Company (See my earlier thread) and Pritchard refers but does not mention a connection. Note that Frederick Seeland returned to the US after his problems at IWC (I found his US census records) and whereas he is noted in many official histories as an American, I note he was a naturalised US citizen born in Switzerland.

Mike
 

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I believe there is some evidence that Seeland spent some time in the UK although I don't have the data at my disposal. There may have even been some sort of watch investor fraud associated with the name.

Does anyone else remember hearing any of this? If not I will start digging through my files.
 

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This is only mildly related. And since Tom is in on this discussion this is also related.

While searching the net for a clue (I really have found nothing really), I came across this mention of IWC and the total tush-kicking that Tom's Beloved American Watch Company gave everyone else at the Sydney Competition in 1879.

I have seen the Nicole nielsen watches from the exhibition and they are spectactular! So one wonders.... was the "Fix in" for AWC to totally DESTROY the competiion like this? Virtually doubling everyone elses entry?


http://www.gregsteer.net/IWC/Sydney1879/Sydney1879.html
 

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INVICTA was trademarked as a watch, parts, boxes, and packaging brand name by Les Fils De R. Picard, of La Chaux de Fonds, Switzerland, (founded in 1837) in 1896. By 1911 the name INVICTA was included in the companys' name. Invicta was still trading in the 1960's. The company also traded under the names Seeland Watch Co and Eno Watch Co.
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I found the above on the net as well.

I wonder if the cases that these 4 or 5 Seeland watches are in would "tell the tale".

One would gather, that the possibility exists that if the cumulative research/speculation on the various threads are true, that Seeland was just another one of the many fellows in the watch business that was border-line corrupt and that when he moved back to New Jersey, he simply made "Swiss fakes" for the industry with the name Seeland on them that looked like other watches.

I think these watches have very little to do with IWC.

Jeff Hess, another speculation
 

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Frederick F. Seeland is in Newark NJ for the 1880 census, 37 years old, listed as a "Watch Maker", and born in Switzerland. His wife is listed as having been born in New Jersey.

What may also be interesting for some is that his 6 year old daughter is listed as having been born in NY, where his 3 year old son and 1 year old daughter are listed as having been born in Switzerland. That puts him in Switzerland for at least and about the period 1877-1879.
 

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Note above records and other Seeland family history in my earlier thread of June 2006.

Mike
 

biragovvladimir

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H E L P M E !!!!!!! PLEASE !!!

Hi everybody. I have a golden SEELAND pocket watch from my father. I have no idea of when they were produced and of their approximate cost. I would be so grateful if you guys would help me out... There is a text engraved on the inside of the cover that says in russian "To tovarisch Huchidze N.G. from National Defence Commissar of USSR, Moscow, 22.03.1936". I think they were made earlier because i doubt that the comissar bought them somewhere in Switzerland or else as a present to some tovarisch :) due to the realities of USSR, I think that it is a part of property taken away from the aristocracy during the the Russian revolution in 1917, but this is just a conjecture. There is also a "579" number there, but i believe its a hallmark.

If that is interesting for anyone, please contact me and i will send you pictures for futher investigation. Anyway i will try to upload pics here.

My email: biragovvladimir@rambler.ru

Any information would be so important for me.

THANK YOU !!!
 

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IMHO said:
Frederick F. Seeland is in Newark NJ for the 1880 census, 37 years old, listed as a "Watch Maker", and born in Switzerland. His wife is listed as having been born in New Jersey.

What may also be interesting for some is that his 6 year old daughter is listed as having been born in NY, where his 3 year old son and 1 year old daughter are listed as having been born in Switzerland. That puts him in Switzerland for at least and about the period 1877-1879.
Well, technically, that puts his *wife* there... but you're probably right :thumb:

I'd have assumed that the kids were US citizens, if their mother was;
Could dual citizenship be involved?

Are the 10 'Prize' medals shown in the most recent previous post
any clue about the history of this company? Or is this just more
window dressing?

A picture of the movement (works) of that watch would be most useful,
if it could be opened.






 

biragovvladimir

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LloydB, I am trying to open them, but i am afraid i can damage it somehow, because im not a specialist. I cant find any mechanism to open it :) is it just a screw and a muscle work:???::?|

But do you have any clew of the date of their production? And can you tell me an approximate price? Well///i mean///its a 10$ or a 1000$ or 10 000$? I hope its the last one:clap:
 

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biragovvladimir said:
YESSS!!!! I have finally opened them :clap::clap:
Sooooo coooool

Common experts....help me solve the mystery:cool:
This one shows little similarity to the earlier Seeland in this
thread. There's more resemblance to certain Omega models
of the early 1900's.

It was made for export, with both "A....R" and "F....S"
on the balance cock.
 

biragovvladimir

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LloydB said:
biragovvladimir said:
YESSS!!!! I have finally opened them :clap::clap:
Sooooo coooool

Common experts....help me solve the mystery:cool:
This one shows little similarity to the earlier Seeland in this
thread. There's more resemblance to certain Omega models
of the early 1900's.

It was made for export, with both "A....R" and "F....S"
on the balance cock.
Are you sure the other one is earlier than mine? So you think they were made in Switzerland? Thanks LloydB! I believe its a rare watch, am i right? How much do you think collectors are ready to pay for them:???:
 

LloydB

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We're not permitted to discuss values on this forum;
and I really couldn't judge which of the two is earlier.

Yes, it certainly appears to be Swiss.

The inscription on the case may make this of some
greater interest (to certain collectors of Russian/Soviet
memorabilia), rather than the movement itself.
 

biragovvladimir

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LloydB said:
We're not permitted to discuss values on this forum;
and I really couldn't judge which of the two is earlier.

Yes, it certainly appears to be Swiss.

The inscription on the case may make this of some
greater interest (to certain collectors of Russian/Soviet
memorabilia), rather than the movement itself.
Thank you very much!!!
 

biragovvladimir

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I found out that the "National Defence Comissar of USSR" at the time of the inscription (1936) was Voroshilov K. :eek::eek::eek: that is a very famous person in the history of Soviet Union, one of the most important revolutionists.... i mean... my sister lives on the Voroshilov street :clap: hahahah i swear... i started digging in the internet... and i found so many examples of him givving gold watch as a present.
 
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