Schatz noise maker

[Ken M]

I don't know what I'm going to do with this thing, not in my wheelhouse. But for $3 and probably $50 shipping, couldn't pass u a Schatz. I probably won't get it for a week or two, but any info I can get on it will be much appreciated.

 

[Willie X]

These are fairly common. Probably from the early 1960s. Usually seen on large desks, or bookshelves.

Their weak point is the platform escapement. On that one, the rating lever is way over to one side, not a good sign ...

Willie X

 

[Schatznut]

Ken, that's a Schatz/Gufa W3 movement in their standard 1000-day case. The engine turning on the back plate is a very nice touch. Hoping you've got a good one there; always wanted one like it on my large desk/bookshelf.

 

[Ken M]

If I can't get it working, or back together, you may end up with it!

 

[Ken M]

I'm beginning to think they are not going to honor the sale. Stay tuned.

 

[Ken M]

I heard back from the auction house and she said she's having problems with the auction software and she's working with the developer and not to worry, I'll get my broken clock.

 

[MartinM]

The W3 does have a nice sound.

 

[Ken M]

I hope to be able to hear it some day! It's paid for, I'm just waiting for them to ship it.

 

[Ken M]

Got it. Pretty rough. The escapement is messed up. I've been trying to unravel the hairspring, but it's tied up in knots. I've seen escapements for sale somewhere, think I'll try to find a replacement.

 

[Ken M]

Timesavers has one for $45. Everything looks right. It says counterclockwise. How can I tell? I'm looking for another source, can I get it cheaper. The clock looks to be complete, just really gummed up. I can't get it to free wheel without the escapement, it tries, but it's glued. I think I'll go for it. I've got $20 into it now, the escapement is more than twice that, but it will keep me frustrated for the summer.

 

[Ken M]

Got it cleaned up and the plates back together. Trains run smooth. Springs wind backwards, need to modify my spring winder. I think it will run when I'm done!

 

[Ken M]

Got it back together. I don't know how all that is supposed to work, but I don't think it's working correctly.

 

[KurtinSA]

Springs wind backwards, need to modify my spring winder.

I don't see how you can "modify" an Ollie Baker. I think you just have to reverse your thinking and/or how you put the spring/barrel into the winder.

Kurt

 

[Ken M]

duh. didn't think of that.

 

[Ken M]

What a beautiful sounding clock. Still haven't figured out the strike side. Finally lost an eclip, I'll get some tomorrow. This guy explains things beautifully. This clock does things differently, like I don't have a stop cam, it works of off a pin on a wheel between the plates somehow. I'll get the escapement this week, not that I need it for what I'm doing now, but I'll get it running sort of.

 

[Ken M]

All done. Escapement will be here Saturday. Just screw it on and wind it up. Chime and strike are in sync. Fun adventure.

 

[Schatznut]

Bravo! Does it sound as good as it looks? I've got a Juba tambour mantel clock that has the W1 (Westminster Chimes) movement and it sounds really sweet. It would look really nice sitting next to this Schatz 54.

 

[Ken M]

I should get the escapement tomorrow. Hopefully it will just slip in. I'll take a video tomorrow turning it by hand and hopefully running!

 

[Ken M]

I have the hammers set to a light strike. It will stay in the shop and I don't want to hear it anywhere else. The escapement is out for delivery, hopefully it will be running soon.

 

[KurtinSA]

I'm still scratching my head as to why this is called a "noise maker". So it chimes... Did I miss what the model name for this clock??

Kurt

 

[Cheezhead]

I have one brand labeled "Tradition" on the dial with Schatz W3, 7 jewels on the backplate. There is no guard over the escapement making it possible to hit the balance wheel when lowering the enclosure cover so be careful when winding or setting. Nice clock with a less powerful sound and that's ok. Has three tunes and silent selector.

 

[Ken M]

I'm still scratching my head as to why this is called a "noise maker". So it chimes... Did I miss what the model name for this clock??

Kurt

I generally don't like chime clocks, they are noisy.

 

[Ken M]

Got the escapement. Got a problem. Everything is identical, hole patterns (mounting holes) are identical. Except, the shroud over the leaf pinion (terminology?) is oriented wrong. In theory, that shroud should be able to be rotated to the correct orientation. Another option is transferring the balance wheel, hair spring, and anchor to the old plate, maybe everything. Any thoughts?

 

[Ken M]

Nope, not gonna work. Darn.

 

[gvasale]

I got one of those years ago. No escapement whatsoever. I found an escapement at the defunct Empire Clock. Maybe the escapement you got isn't the proper one. Mt clock was branded Salem, but had Schatz on the back plate.

 

[Ken M]

Thanks. Doubt I'll ever find the right one. I'm wondering if I can transfer all the guts to the old back plate. Except for the pinion, everything looks the same. I'm in contact with Timesavers, maybe they can think of something. The wheel it engages is too close to the back plate. So I would have to rotate the shroud on the escapement and drive the wheel down the arbor. All the possibilities!

 

[gvasale]

This escapement was a pretty fancy product. Merritt's had them listed as Swiss Platform escapements. They were expensive about C note.
My catalog is old. Best to inquire.

 

[Ken M]

Looks like $225 is a common price on platform escapement on Merritts, if they even have one for this clock. That's not going to happen.

 

[Ken M]

Timesavers won't take it back. So, I can put it on eBay and hope someone wants it, or I figure a way to make it work. Probably the latter. I could drill the back plate to accept the escapement as it is, and drive the wheel in on the arbor so it engages. Or I could try to build on the original base plate. Or I could rotate the shroud so it's in the proper orientation and drive the wheel in. So many choices.

 

[KurtinSA]

IMO...if you don't or can't do what is best for the clock, I would definitely suggest that finding someone else to finish it up the right way would be the preferred approach. I know you've run across aspects of "previous owner's disease" on other clocks...we all have. Don't be that guy!!

Kurt

 

[Ken M]

I'm working out a way that requires no modifications.

 

[Ken M]

I got this reply from Timesavers concerning the shroud. I'm going to take it to the clock shop and ask him to do it. Counterclockwise is correct.

Please note this platforms' escape wheel rotates counterclockwise. Generally the potence shroud can be carefully rotated however the balance, pallet and escape wheel must be removed first. Timesavers Box 12700 Scottsdale, AZ 85267 USA 1-800-552-1520 info@timesavers.com www.timesavers.com

 

[Ken M]

Closer look, the clock is clockwise, not counter clockwise. But it's the same as what was with the clock. So the escapement on the clock was the wrong one. I'm done, over and out.