ROY Pocket watch case A.W.W Co Riverside movement

[i-inspect]

I have a ROY marked case ser#134152
it has a very well scribe on it that did not come from the factory it very narrow it looks like G1250.
The G is cursive so it could be a mark.
Hard to get a good pic it is so small I did not see it until I used a magnifying glass.

Any Ideas?
Thanks

 

[musicguy]

Welcome to the NAWCC Forum!

Jewelers repair/service marks are very common. Unfortunately
undecipherable.




Rob

 

[i-inspect]

Welcome to the NAWCC Forum!

Jewelers repair/service marks are very common. Unfortunately
undecipherable.




Rob

The marks are vey good so would the end seller put his marks on or an employ of ROY. Sounds like there is no answer
Thanks

 

[musicguy]

A jeweler put them there. Post a photo.


Rob

 

[musicguy]

Do they look like this

Rob

 

[i-inspect]

Do they look like this


View attachment 661246




Rob

View attachment 661246

 

[i-inspect]

I did not think it would show
Thanks

 

[Rick Hufnagel]

Welcome to the forum!

As Musicguy said, these are repair or maintenance marks used by a watchmaker to show something was done to the watch. The marks have nothing to do with Roy Watch Case Company.

Unfortunately there is no standardization to the codes, and each watchmaker would use their own. Today they are undecipherable for the most part.

 

[i-inspect]

The quality of the writing being so small it seemed old to me I cant tell if it is a G or what

Like you said not way to know
Thanks for your help

 

[PapaLouies]

I have a ROY marked case ser#134152
it has a very well scribe on it that did not come from the factory it very narrow it looks like G1250.
The G is cursive so it could be a mark.
Hard to get a good pic it is so small I did not see it until I used a magnifying glass.

Any Ideas?
Thanks

Are you sure your case is a ROY?

ROY ca. 1894.
Regards, P/L

 

[i-inspect]

Are you sure your case is a ROY?
View attachment 662304
ROY ca. 1894.
Regards, P/L

Yes ROY on top on each other.

 

[musicguy]

ROY cases are not my expertise.
I did a "very small" amount of research on this and from
my very quick view of ROY trademarks I did not see the
" ROY on top on each other" trade mark as one of them. I am assuming this is why
P/L asked the question. Can a ROY case expert here let us know if this
is a correct ROY trademark.
Roy Watch Case Co. - Pocket Watch Case Trademarks (pocketwatchdatabase.com)

Thanks!
Rob

 

[Harold Visser]

i always assumed this was a ROY case....notice the half a dozen watch repairmen/jewelers marks on the lower left......

 

[musicguy]

here is an excerpt from the forum wiki
Roy Watch Case Co. | NAWCC Forums

what was this other company's trademark? anyone here know?

Roy vs. Camm-Roy
The Camm-Roy Watch Case Co. was a separate company entirely from the Roy Watch Case Co. Its name was originally the Roy Manufacturing Co. This firm was started by a group of investors including Frank L. Camm and Augustin X. Roy, the person who was one of the founders of the Roy Watch Case Co. and for whom it was named. Upon the name change to Camm-Roy Watch Case Co. on May 18, 1899, the Roy Watch Case Co. brought suit and sought an injunction to prevent Camm-Roy from using that name, claiming that it led customers to believe that the Roy Watch Case Co. was associated with Camm, which it wasn't. Additionally, the Roy Watch Case Co. took out ads in the trade press pointing out that there was no association of two and that legal proceedings had been started; and that its only sales representative was A.L. Stearns. This was to ensure that its customers didn't inadvertently give their orders to Camm-Roy. However, it was nowhere alleged that Camm-Roy salesmen either misrepresented themselves as the Roy salesman, or that the two companies were one. The injunction was granted, favoring the Roy Watch Case Co. in late June 1899, whereupon Camm-Roy changed its name again, this time to the Camm Watch Case Co. Nevertheless, testimony was still being given on the subject in November of that year.


Camm-Roy

credit to Roy Watch Case Co. | NAWCC Forums




Rob

 

[i-inspect]

I took off the side and it has Roy in a banner warranted 14k U.S. Assay, I should of looked closer
So there are 2 marks?
Sheldon

 

[PapaLouies]

What is the serial number of the movement?
Regards, P/L

 

[PapaLouies]

What is the serial number of the movement?
Regards, P/L

https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/gold-case.169487/post-1369079

P/L

 

[i-inspect]

https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/gold-case.169487/post-1369079

P/L

134158 year 1894?

 

[i-inspect]

134158 year 1894?

The watch that came with it is a Waltham 16s
7073083

 

[i-inspect]

The watch that came with it is a Waltham 16s
7073083

I added some pictures not very good my good camera is at home

 

[PapaLouies]

Looks like someone tried to buff away the Trade Mark.
Regards, P/L

 

[Steven Thornberry]

From the movement serial number you give, your watch seems to be as described here. Waltham Pocket Watch: Serial Number 7073083 (Grade Riverside) (pocketwatchdatabase.com)

 

[i-inspect]

Looks like someone tried to buff away the Trade Mark.
Regards, P/L

It has 2 marks and they were not buffed out I did a poor job with the photo
I would like to know if other cases had double marking ?
Thanks anyway