Rockford Wristwatch

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  1. pmwas

    pmwas Registered User

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    Not that common - you won't see a Rockford wristwatch that often :)
    Housed in a IWCCo Spartan nickel case. Very handsome piece!

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  2. darrahg

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    and you got the 17j movement too. Super!
     
  3. Squite

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    Love it!:coolsign:
     
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    Very Nice!

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    Very nice... Never seen one!
     
  6. pmwas

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    Got another one. Similar, but in a SWCO Starwhite case and lower grade 15j movement. Waiting for more ;)
     

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    Yeah, really nice watches! I can't say that i've ever seen a rockford wrist watch. I am a huge fan of rockfords. Hamilton gets all the glory because they made awesome watches, but I think rockfords are under valued as a whole.
     
  8. pmwas

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    The only thing I don't still know if those were made (apparently long after Rockford WCo's demise) using NOS movements or with those removed from small gold ladies watches... Or maybe both... The cases I've shown don't have additional screw marks, anyway...
     
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    Hmmm..good point. Even if they didn't leave the factory that way it's a good way to make use of an otherwise unused movement. What year did rockford cease production?
     
  10. pmwas

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    1914-1915 I believe...
     
  11. darrahg

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    They made them. Here is the front and back cover of a booklet that Rockford put out in 1913 showing a ww on the back cover.
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    You can find Rockford 0s 15j and 17j movements in several styles of wrist watch cases. The earliest being in pocket watch cases adapted with wire lugs for attaching a band. The pillow style such as yours is a later style and is more 'manly' than the others. These watches are not very common but come up for sale every now and then. I feel pretty certain that other jeweler's (watch shops) besides Rockford cased the small movements too. Rockford's 6s model 2 has also been found housed in an open face case small wire lug wrist watch that appears original to the case. Here are some examples of what I have acquired over the years. p1010209 (2).jpg P1010217.jpg IMG_2167.jpg IMG_6757_zpse5622bae.jpg IMG_2164.jpg Rockford ww 871486.JPG Rockford ww 897142 front.JPG Rockford ww 897142 back.JPG rockford_watch_3.jpg
     
  13. Jack_W

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    Re: another Rockford Wristwatch

    Not quite a dead thread... the OP and other commentators appear to be active. Also, since the cover story in the latest NAWCC is on Rockford...

    So this was on eBay and I bought it mostly for the engraving... I read it as 'JRW'. But the movement is a bit of an odd ball. In searching for information on the movement, this is the highest Rockford serial number that can be documented. I've found reference one a higher one but no images to accompany the claim. It is odd because it is 3/0 sized and I find no reference to anything smaller then the 0s movements. I guess it could have been milled down, but there are no obvious machine markings to indicate it was re-sized. Full plating at the edges and the finishing on the bridges. Although the serial number is a bit truncated on the dial side. I've reached out to chapter 149 but no response to my email.

    Any thoughts and ideas on the watch?

    Here is the case back... I believe that is a 'J'...
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    Case back info... showing that the case is 3/0
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    The watch is in good condition... other than the dial.
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    Case wasn't machined out either...
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    and the movement...
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    Can't find my calipers but hope this is close enough that you can tell it really is 3/0s.
     
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  14. pmwas

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    #14 pmwas, Mar 26, 2016
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    Re: another Rockford Wristwatch

    The caseback says 3/0 so the movement has to be 3/0
    I've seen a Rockford 3/0 before (pictures only...), they surely existed.
    It is a case from the 1910-1920 period, roughly, so this might actually have been cased while RWCo was not dead yet, or just after it died...
    I have a circa 1915 Illinois movement cased in one of those...

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    Re: another Rockford Wristwatch

    Very nice Illinois movement in an Illinois case. I'm keeping an eye out for one now too.

    There has been some information come to light on the Rockford 3/0s, via the pocket watch forum. User darrahg wrote the article in the Bulletin and did a webinar the other day on Rockford movements. 3/0 are for real and mine is presently being restored. Waiting on a mainspring. I'm posting on the WUS Vintage forum the restoration process.
     
  16. pmwas

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    Re: another Rockford Wristwatch

    Thanks, btw for keeping the thread alive ;)
    Not that many Rockford wristwatches around, as the company went out of bussiness just at the begining of wristwatch era...
    I still hope to post another one, but no luck so far...
     
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    Woww.. That case is really beautiful. Very nice engraving. And because I'm a fan of a Roman numeral, the dial also looks amazing for me
     
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    If you mean mine Rockford - it's amazing, even despite it's base metal. It's not exactly fashionable anymore, but it surely is one of he most handsome gents' watches of the time I've seen :)
     
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    Depending on ones point of view, I can say the long hunt has ended or wow! that didn't take long. Point being is I finally acquired a 3/0s dial of appropriate size and in pristine condition to replace the one that came with the bad chips on the watch.
    From this....
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    to this...

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    I've found one - the cheapest 20yr one...

    Some inside shots first. Nothing exciting, just a 0s Rockford...

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    Gold plated train, all-steel escapement parts, but still - single roller. Not a grand disadvantage at the time.
    The gold screw is to lock the movement in winding position while out of case...

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    The movement has a rusty (very rusty) hairspring and works… inconsistently.
    The hairspring is very rusty - there is an old Polish proverb - literally - 'there won't be any bread from that flour', and that pretty much hits the spot ;)

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    15 jewel mid grade.

    The hands are likely replaced...

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    Original bracelett. Seems to be shut for good, no way to open it to try the watch on...

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    Movement again - hinge back...

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    ...and Rockford 20yr markings :) !

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    Of course, the - previously posted - Rockford ad I quoted shows definitely Rockford made wristwatches at the end of it's short existance, and this shows they really existed :) Not that many around, but yes, here they are.
    Will have to keep my eyes open for 'permanent - enamel' one, must be something...
     
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    Here is one directed toward females. It (0s model 2 15j) is in an open face case that was adapted by soldering a wire lug on to the base and held on the wrist by a ribbon band.

    Rockford 0s mdl2 ladies 892559 1.JPG Rockford 0s mdl2 ladies 892559 8.JPG Rockford 0s mdl2 ladies 892559 2.JPG Rockford 0s mdl2 ladies 892559 4.JPG Rockford 0s mdl2 ladies 892559 12.JPG
     
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    Here is another one directed toward females with chain link band that houses a 17j model 2. The pics show original condition.

    IMG_3068 orig cond.JPG Rockford 0s mdl2 17j 909087 mvt.JPG Rockford 0s g150 17j ww case logo.jpg
     
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    Ok, one more and then I will stop for today. This is a Rockford 0s m1 15j, not impressive than any others but is affixed to a Karl Scheufele bracelet that has expandable 'prongs' that secure the watch to the band. The case also has a wire lug at the base so suspect it was used in a different manner prior to being placed into the expandable bracelet.

    Karl Scheufele bracelet with 0s m1 15j.jpg $T2eC16N,!yUE9s6NDMjfBS!TRglVU!~~60_3.jpg expandable tongs for containing watch.JPG Scheufele bracelet patent marks.jpg View attachment 575588 Rockford 0s m1 15j mvt.jpg
     
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    Good, the Rockford wristwatch thread is growing :)
     
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    Ok, one more. Here is a Rockford 6s m1 11j g161 that has a 'female' style bracelet but has an inscription of George Beall of Lindsay, Ontario Canada. Obviously changes have occurred over the years.

    6s m2 George W. Beall dial.JPG IMG_2827 mvt cpd fixed.JPG Rockford 6s m2 ww front.JPG IMG_3034 cpd (2).JPG
     
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    Just curious, were private labels not made for the smaller watches that were traditionally worn by women? It seems the examples that are posted in the PL threads are on the larger watches - or maybe I just need to go look at those threads again....

    Thanks!
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    Pat, I find that the smaller watches will tend to have case inscriptions instead of PLs. Smaller watches having much less space for inscriptions might have something to do with it or could it be that those that purchased the little ones were not as vain. Or, was it during a time that small watches were not as popular for jewelers to consider having stamped with their labels. I am just giving an opinion here and really don't know for sure, as usual. Maybe others have an opinion or two.
     
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  28. PapaLouies

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    Looks like you have a 3/0 dial on a 0 size movement.
    Regards, PL
     
  29. pmwas

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    If you look earlier in the posts - his movement is 3/0s in a 3/0s Illinois case...
     
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    Nope. It is a 3/0s movement for sure.
     
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    Distinguishing between the 0s and 3/0s Rockford movements can be made by checking the dial plate for a ridge (raised lip for lack of better term) along the edge of the plate. That is, the 0s movement has a ridge where the 3/0s has no ridge. Everything else appears to be the same for both.
     
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    Here are some images of a 0s and a 3/0s for comparison. The 0s has a dial on it.
    Rock_0S.jpg Rock_3_0S.jpg side_by_bottom.jpg side_by_top.jpg
     
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