Rockford Serial Numbers Information Above 824,000

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  1. Frank N

    Frank N Registered User
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    When researching serial numbers of Rockford pocket pocket watches using the "Red" Ehrhardt book you are limited to serial numbers below 824,000.

    Using the NAWCC chapter 149 database website provides model and grade information along with first and last serial numbers for a specific run. At the bottom of their table a note states 'Numbers above 824,000 - John Fogerty Research".

    I haven't be able to find a published list of Rockford serial number runs above the 824,000 number. Hope the Rockford experts can lend a hand.
     
  2. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Here is a reconstruction of the late runs based on my research and published in 2004 in my little booklet "A Rockford Watch Company Primer". You're welcome to use this info for personal use but not to distribute it.

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    Greg,

    Thanks for sharing your work.
    Just learned one of my Wind Ind. watches is 8th to last produced.
     
  4. Frank N

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    Another thanks, and I will respect you wish not to distribute.
     
  5. Frank N

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    While looking up Rockford serial numbers for a 16 size, model 5, grade 545 pocket watch I found different information in the Rockford Red book and the online PW data base. There were differences in quantity manufactured and number of runs. An online search for Rockford Grade 545 yielded serial number movements not listed in the Rockford Red book and resulted in me adding runs that resolved the differences, at least so I think. Take a look at information in this chart and comment on whether it makes sense.

    This also begs the question about other missing runs.

    From Rockford Red Book
    Run 1st. SN Last SN Quantity
    1 550,701 550,900 200
    2 560,001 560,500 500
    3 571,001 571,300 300
    4 620,001 621,000 1,000
    5 * 625,401 626,000 600
    6* 670,101 671,000 900
    7 765,501 766,000 500
    8* 675,501 676,000 500
    9 781,001 782,000 1,000
    Total 5,500
    * This run is not in the Rockford red book
     
  6. Kent

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    Page 314 of American Pocket Watches Serial Number Grade Book, 1993 Prices, Roy Ehrhardt & William Meggers, Jr., Heart of America Press, Umatilla, FL, 1993, lists serial numbers/grades from 824,001 to 939,000 that were "This page was compiled by observing watches with serial numbers in these assigned runs. ... The actual runs may be longer or shorter then shown here." No runs of grade No. 545 are shown.
     
  7. Frank N

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    Thanks for the information, I don't that book so now I have something to look for at the next mart. Happy Holidays to all.
     
  8. okiejohn

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    #8 okiejohn, Dec 5, 2019
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    FYI, I have one of these Rockfords, SN 670379, that is listed in the Pocket Watch Database as a Grade 545, but the movement is clearly stamped "540". Based upon the configuration of the 3-finger bridge it sure seems to be a Grade 540 in my eyes, it looks to be a mirror image of a Grade 545. I haven't had much luck yet getting the folks at the PWDB to include it as a Grade 540, they just have an acknowledgement that it is marked as a 540. It is also a pendant set, not the normal lever set Grade 540.

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  9. Frank N

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    My grade 545 is also marked and is lever set, your grade 540 is listed as lever set in the Rockford Watch Company Grade and Serial Numbers with Production Figures, book by Roy Ehrhardt 1975, often referred to as the “Rockford Red book”. Grades 540 and 545 share the same description in an undated Rockford advertisement in this book.

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    Your grade 540, serial number, 670,379 is not listed, it appears to be in another gap between runs:

    670,001 – 670,100

    671,001 – 671,300
    Another interesting anomaly?

     
  10. okiejohn

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    I asked on this in this forum, regarding this strange Grade 540 anomoly. "Kent gave some good information explaining it... see the discussion here:
    Rockford Grade 540 help
     

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