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  1. darrahg

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    Business Label: Doll
    16s mdl4 23j triple signed
    Third photo is Doll's case logo

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    George W. Beall Lindsay, Ont. (Ontario)
    6s mdl2 11j ww

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  3. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Shipping tin for mvt #754018 for "Hammond Bros.", 16s open face special. Partial mvt #754019 signed "Hammond Bros., Cohoes, N. Y."

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    Business Label: Barrett & Sherwood San Francisco Cal
    8s mdl1b 9j
    Famous jewelers that were known for taking care of marine chronometers.
    140 Montgomery Street (1905)

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    M. Anderson 181 E. Chicago Ave. Chicago (script)
    18s mdl1 11 or 15j

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    (Greg, how about your non-magnetic?)
     
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    18s "Non-Magnetic" with correct white alloy hairspring. Dial signed "Marks & Krank".

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    F. J. Hooper, Aspen, Colo. Began as Hooper Bros. (see mvt above) and later moved to Cripple Creek.

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    RockfordGrade 605, Model 2, 11j, 16s, SN 616985
    ‘Chicago Watch Co’

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    Business Label: Plymouth Watch Co.
    Produced by Rockford solely for the Sears Co.
    18s m10 21j Adj
    18s m9 21j Adj
    16s m5S 21j Adj
    16s m4S 21j Adj (last photo)
    0s m1S 15j Adj in OF and WW cases
    Dials shown are ds roman and Arabic in 18 and 16s and ss roman in 0s.

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    Occupation (?) Label: Order Of Railroad Conductors
    18s ndl9 g205 17j Winnebago
    Dial ds Arabic Order Of Railroad Conductors with ticket punch

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    Rockford 18S 15J Model 7 ~1891 500 made S/N 389004
    Dial: J. J. Bleich Paducah, KY.
    Movement: R. W. Co. Rockford Ill.

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  13. Tom McIntyre

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    This may not count since it only has a private label dial. It was recently given to me by a friend.

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    This 18-size dial came on a regular, mid-grade, Rockford-labeled movement.
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  15. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Selection of special dials in 1894 Rockford material catalog. Though not private label they are super interesting. Not many of these have surfaced over the years.

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    Thanks for providing the documentation. I have wondered about it for some time. DA
     
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    #67 StanJS, Feb 25, 2018
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    Rockford Grade 905, 18S, 21J, OF, S/N 542,798, ~600 made
    Dial: Hauserman's Railroad
    Movement: Hauserman's Railroad Patterson, N. J.

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    Nice Houserman signature style.
     
  19. Greg Frauenhoff

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    18s dial signed E. P. Durando (?) & Co., Chattanooga, Tenn.
    Mvt has factory markings. Model 3 with Breguet hairspring and unusual marking on barrel bridge "Adjusted To Heat & Cold". This mvt dates to c. 1887/88, a time when many RRs began adopting standards for watches in RR service. Among the standards were specific mention that watches be adjusted to temperature. This type of marking has been seen on a few better grade Rockfords in the 22x,xxx and 23x,xxx range (both on model 3 and model 4 mvts). A mvt close in # to this one is known to have been used on the CB&Q.

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  20. beta21

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    18 s 6th model 15J gilt. F.J.KEMPEL. CAWKER CITY, KAN on the dial only; SN 142 197
     
  21. darrahg

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    Here is another Business Label: The Ramsey Watch F.O.K. & Co.
    18s Model 9 g 910 21J Adjusted RG

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    Darrah,

    Do you know if this was for Farwell, Ozmun, Kirk & Co in Ramsey County (St. Paul) MN? They were a wholesale hardware company and looks like they sold jewelry also - just not sure about watches.

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  23. darrahg

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    Yes Pat, it was Farwell Osmond & Kirk Co. founded about 1860 in St. Paul, Ramsey County, Minnesota. They were a large, long time distributor of many items. Sorry, I left this out on my previous post.
     
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  24. Keith R...

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    #74 Keith R..., Apr 30, 2018
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    I picked this one up several years back and I just now sent it to Rob Carter for service. It's
    now back home and I'll fire it up shortly. Joe Marx was affiliated with High End clothing
    during Central City's (Co) heyday of 1880. I recognize it's dial only, but I wanted to see a
    Rockford hit the board. I had asked Darrah about this one awhile back, so the answer is,
    15J transition Rockford, 18 size about 1878, (could be closer to 76).

    I kinda like these stirrup bows.

    PS....................I'll fire it up with a #5 key, so I won't violate my habits.

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  25. Tom McIntyre

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    I have always called that style a "chain guard" bow. The stirrup is what I call those with the extra loop at the top of the bow, like the later Ball cases.
     
  26. Keith R...

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    Thanks Tom, I stand corrected.

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  27. Stephen Matusek

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    Here's a 16s, 15j sn 734734 with F.J. Titus, Zeeland, Mich. I'm mainly into RR watches but I do have a few that aren't, like this one.

    Steve

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  28. W.T. Owen

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    I hope this qualifies for private label since he was a business owner, maker and what all else P.S. Bartlett did over all the years he was alive.

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    L.C. Brown Standard on dial ,serial # 339734 Grade 84,Model 8, 15 jewe

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    #80 Tim Fitzgerald, Jul 15, 2018
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    Here is my Rockford 18s ser# 375375, grade 87,model 7, 15j jewel, dial says L.g. Twambley & sons Biddeford Me

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  31. 4thdimension

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    Some junkers from my Rockford box: #695001 Plymouth Watch Co. King Edward 21j adj. partial mvt.,#388835 dial-Mermod Jaccard &Co. St. Louis Mo. mvt. signed Standard St. Louis, #593535 17j adj. two-tone mvt. signed Linz Special no dial, #643260(stamped over #634260)signed on dial only M. Judd Co. Toledo O., #348922 signed on dial only W.R. Lasham Grand Forks, Dak. -Cort
     
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    This is a Rockford 16s ser.#623281 With "Chronometer Nacional" on movement

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    Has anyone heard of or seen a movement with "Chronometer Nacional"
     
  34. Tom McIntyre

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    Perhaps of we have some readers from Latin America. I would guess @Larry Treiman as the most likely candidate.
     
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    Here is a better photo

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    Business Label Commodore Perry Special
    Movement 12size Rockford grade 330 Hunter MARKED Commodore Perry S. Cohen Erie PA Rockford 12 size  Grade 330 17j Private Label Commodore Perry Special. dial.jpg Rockford 12 size  Grade 330 17j Private Label movement marked Commordore Perry S. cohen Eire PA.jpg
    Very few 12 size private labels were made
     
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  37. kevin h

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    Here is one that I used to carry , C. S. Hauser Pittsburgh Pa. on dial only

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    #88 darrahg, Aug 25, 2018
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    They do not come up that often. Some are marked Adjusted and make for very nice watches.
     
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    Business Label: L. F. Hussander Chicago, Ill
    18s m6 15j Adjusted two tone; double sunk roman dial with fancy block one word Rockford dial

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    #90 shovelhead, Sep 3, 2018
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    This watch is marked R.W.Kerns RR Watch 1905.R.W.Kerns was a railroad watch inspector who was a local watchmaker employed by the railroad to inspect and repair the all important railroad employees' watches. Rockford grade 900, model 9, 24J. One of my nicest.
     
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  42. Dave Coatsworth

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    538645 for John A. Didot of Geneva, Indiana.

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    Interestingly, while servicing one of my Illinois watches a few years ago, I came across Mr. Didot's signature on the back of the dial.

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    Ooh, is this a hint to start a Rockford ephemera thread?
     
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    You know we'll vote for that one! :D
     
  47. kevin h

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    my latest dial is J Biddlecomb of Clinton Ontario , I found some history on him when he retired in 1896 , it is not original to the movement , it is a pinned dial

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    Does anyone have any information about 16 and 18 size Rockfords with the name "Diamond Special" on both the dial and movement?
     
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    I was probably a business label that I know nothing about the source. The 'collectable' thing about the watches is that they have 16s movements with two tone designs on models 2 and 3 which is uncommon for those models.
     
  50. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Super cool and quite rare two-tone model 6. I've only seen about 4-5 and all were private labels. Thanks for the pics.
     

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