Rockford 101 17 Jewel 2 tone

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  1. Christopher Burris

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    Rockford grade 101? 17 Jewel 2 tone SN380415. Serial Number lists as grade 101 15 jewel, and seems early for 17 jewel in size 16 from Rockford. I'm not a Rockford guy, I know I need to find a hour hand.
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    Pretty movememt, did it come cased? I haven't found one comparable in a long time.-Cort
     
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    #4 Christopher Burris, Jul 4, 2019
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    Yes it has a case. The case is worn to the point of looking out for brassing, but opens quick and as proper as one could want on their best watch.
    And after reviewing others of this grade, my judgement against the hour hand was a bad jump I think.
    And from what I've seen the finish on the winding wheels suffers by compare. I just haven't been able to find another 17 jewel example.
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    The 17 jewel movements were probably upgraded from 15j movements from the assigned grade 101 according to several long time collectors. I feel more comfortable when assigning these upgraded movement to 101s (special) grade instead of 101. They are very nice movements when found with well preserved two toning.

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    I have a 17J Model 1 Grade 100 (I believe), #384404, with issues. She's slated to go to Darrah for restoration in September. I do like the conversion dial - I also have a 15J 102, # 360544, with a conversion dial and nickel plates.

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    How can you go wrong with a double sunk conversion dial

    Nice one.


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    Because of all the problems with the movement, the dial went virtually unnoticed at the auction . . .
     
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    #9 darrahg, Jul 5, 2019
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    Ok,here is the dilemma. According to Rockford grading documents, the grade 100 should be 16j and 101 are 15. So, where do the 17j mvts go? I would like to place them in a 'special' 101 grade as I don't know where else to put them. However, there is already a 101s that is a 21j open face so grade 101 contains 15 and 17 jewels. Maybe Greg F. has a better idea.

    With issues, besides not having a regulator, and you want to send it to me? :excited: Just kidding.
     
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    I'm not too sure about assigning a grade number to the 17 jewel examples. They likely date to a time when the company was in receivership and it's possible that they were marketed with an unknown grade number. They are certainly neat movements and well worth collecting.
     
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    They go to Darrah Artzner in Houston :clap:
     
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