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Request for Rockford Serial Numbers from 1-255,000 ( now expanded to 500,001)

Keith R...

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My model 6 was by serial number. After Chip serviced it,I moved over to Rob Carter.
So I'd have ask Rob if he had the model 6. I've got 10 years with Rob C.

Yes, Rob Carter and full count with dials off. I have one 11J left in my collection, Melrose.
All others 15J.

Glad to see someone dialed in on early Rockies Bila.

Keith R...

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Greg Frauenhoff

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Bila,

I don't know where you're headed with all your Rockford data, but I hope you consider putting it into an encyclopedia article. There it can be referenced by members and updated easily. Just a thought.*

Greg

*The last time I made a suggestion to someone about their hard earned data they fled our message board. That was certainly not my intent and it is not so here either.
 

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I am a novice collector. My Rockford is my favorite piece because I live in Rockford. Here it is:
Model: 1
S/N: 23062
Finish: gilt
Jewels: 15
Setting: key
Mounting screws: 1

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I have not verified the jewel count by inspection. My watch was in the Pocket Watch Serial Number Database before I bought it, so I'm going by that and the Rockford sales catalog which I found somewhere.
 

Bila

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but I hope you consider putting it into an encyclopedia article. There it can be referenced by members and updated easily. Just a thought.*

Greg

It will be made available for all Greg, it belongs to all, there has been a lot of contributions from other Members here, as well as other Forum members on other sites. Once I can get some semblance/correlation of serial numbers and work out where the runs start & end (i have some idea now but need more numbers to shore up some hypotheses, as some serial blocks have next to no data at present), we can put it out there. I just do not know how it will go with data being imputed directly into an Encyclopedia article, as this is then opened up to possibly a lot of incorrect observation inputs. The PWDB is a prime example of how this can happen (and is not the only site) and no I am not taking the PWDB to task, it is what it is, but probably could be done better regarding certain info and its dissemination. You can see by this board even that data being present on certain watches is at times incorrect, it clearly appears to me that a chunk of it has been gleaned from the PWDB. You can not blame the posters for this though, but at least this incorrect data in most cases quickly gets put in to the correct prospective by other Forum users here.

An example; the PWDB displays model numbers and grades and other info on their site for runs that we all know there is little to no data available. A user of that site and it's database, (possibly someone just starting out or even someone without a lot of observation abilities or mechanical knowledge) reads that data then thinks this is what his watch is. The serial number is staring them in the face on the site with the associated data, and in some case (uploaded) pictures by contributors that are clearly not correct model or grade or in some cases not even correct production runs of unknown models, so they report their watch is the same model/type when it is clearly not.

I have seen plenty of instances of this miss-reporting since the Site started and even more so now that I am looking at this early Rockford stuff, It does not matter how many little caveats you put on it, it will happen regularly. The PWDB would be much better off removing all the model, type and grade information from these unknown model and grade runs, including some of the new "research grades" info that have been posted there, as even this has started to filter down through with emails to me from others regarding observations. A better way is to let people post their watch info and when there is enough data, (which should be kept in house) until you are able to make an educated observation/assessment, then post that information. It is not my right to tell anyone how to run their site, the only reason I have mentioned it here, is as an example to highlight what can happen on an open input data sheet.

I know this is not something we as Collectors & Forum Users here can control as the site is someone else's, but these are the problems that can arise and will make a farce in my opinion of the Rockford early research data if it is open slather input by anyone & everyone, if you have any ideas around this they would be appreciated.
 
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It will be made available for all...Once I can get some semblance/correlation of serial numbers and work out where the runs start & end (i have some idea now but need more numbers to shore up some hypotheses, as some serial blocks have next to no data at present), we can put it out there. ...A better way is to let people post their watch info and when there is enough data, (which should be kept in house) until you are able to make an educated observation/assessment, then post that information. these are the problems that can arise and will make a farce in my opinion of the Rockford early research data if it is open slather input by anyone & everyone.
Bila,

You have put some good thought into this and have a "plan".

I will continue reporting info as it comes my way.

Cheers,

Greg
 

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Some other pics. #241902 is "17 R", #90 is a key winder with stem wind attachment added later (original case has been modified by the addition of a stem and crown and the key hole has been expertly filled), #164805 is marked "15" on barrel bridge (presumably for 15 jewels).

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BTW, there is an early quite rare Rockford price list known. I probably have a copy of it (around here somewhere) from the time it was listed on ebay. If I recall, it is in the collection of one of our younger members. If so, maybe he can share it with us here?
 

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Another BTW, the s/n on the model 6 in my slide looks to be 916?3 which is very close to that on the tin I showed (91669).
 

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I'll add a few.

SN 205,414, 8S 15J, HC, Nickel movement
SN 219,258, 16S, 17J, HC, nickel, PS, model 4
SN 171,665, 18S, 15J, HC. gilt, LS, model 2
SN 109,634, 18S, 11J, HC, gilt. LS, model 2

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I have five that fall within that SN Range....all are loaded into pocketwatchdatabase.com, including photos.

1. SN 19008. 18s, 9j (marked on movement), gilt, Key wind, key set, unknown grade. ("stem" at 12, but not a functioning "stem"). One case screw, located at approx. 5 o'clock. PWDB says "Model 1".
2. SN 195063. 18s, 15j, nickel (db says, "two-tone", not too sure about that, but has NICE, unique demaskeen pattern), stem wind, lever set, stem at 12. Unknown grade. PWDB says "Model 4".Two case screws at approx. 1 and 7 o'clock.
3. SN 200356. 8s, 7j (according to PWDB), nickel. Stem wind, lever set. stem at 3 o'clock. PWDB says "Model 1". Two case screws, at approx 1.5 and 7 o'clock.
4. SN 238270. 18s, 11j (according to PWDB), gilt. Stem wind, lever set. stem at 3 o'clock. PWDB says "Model 3" though Rockford SN lists say "Model 4". Unknown grade Two case screws, at approx. 2.5 and 10 o'clock.
5. SN 253573. 18s, 15j (marked on movement), PWDB says Grade 77. Nickel, stem wind, lever set, stem at 3 o'clock. PWDB says "Model 8". Two case screws, at approx. 4 and 9 o'clock.

I hope these help the cause!
 
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Another BTW, the s/n on the model 6 in my slide looks to be 916?3 which is very close to that on the tin I showed (91669).
When I did a little bit of editing on that photo Greg and played with the lighting that number appears to be 91638, but it is still hard to make out even with the editing, so I am possibly incorrect.
 

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'll add a few.

SN 205,414, 8S 15J, HC, Nickel movement
SN 219,258, 16S, 17J, HC, nickel, PS, model 4
SN 171,665, 18S, 15J, HC. gilt, LS, model 2
SN 109,634, 18S, 11J, HC, gilt. LS, model 2

Tom

Hi Tom, Thanks for the post of numbers, just a question if you can remember it, that 2nd watch in the list, you have it as a 16 and a model 4, Just wondering if you have a picture or can recall it at all. It should be a 18 Size Model 5 Nickel Hunter SW/LS, can you let me know when you get a chance if you recollect it?

Cheers,
Bila
 

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Re: Levi Rhoades: he was presented with Ser #1. I believe someone owns that one. It would be nice if the owner reported that one to your database.
 

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Another BTW, the s/n on the model 6 in my slide looks to be 916?3 which is very close to that on the tin I showed (91669).
Greg, I haven’t seen one like that before. The visibility of the mechanism is really cool. Is that a scarce model or grade?-Cort
 

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Thanks Greg, that Model 5 you show there is an interesting one, if I read the serial number correctly it is from a block we didn't know about and the first block of serials in this model with those size plate jewels, very nice:)

Please disregard the comment here about it being from an unknown block (as I have re-edited the photo and had 1 number of the serial incorrect), but it is still unusual compared to a lot of other model 5 nickel runs with those larger then life size plate jewels:)
 

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Hi Tom, Thanks for the post of numbers, just a question if you can remember it, that 2nd watch in the list, you have it as a 16 and a model 4, Just wondering if you have a picture or can recall it at all. It should be a 18 Size Model 5 Nickel Hunter SW/LS, can you let me know when you get a chance if you recollect it?

Cheers,
Bila
Bila you are correct. The SN for the 16S is 919, 258. My bad. Just had to use a more powerful magnifier.

Tom
 

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Greg, I haven’t seen one like that before. The visibility of the mechanism is really cool. Is that a scarce model or grade?-Cort
Rockford's exposed escapement model (model 6) isn't scarce per se, although some of the specific grades probably are. It is indeed a neat design.
 
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I forgot this one from my collection, Bila. Serial No. 196415, c. 1883, with exposed escapement.

Excellent Lee, that one gave us a new data point, very much appreciated. Just wondering if you have had the dial of this one for a jewel count at all, as we have multiple reports about different jewel counts in that run?
 

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I haven't, Bila. When I'm able to get it serviced--and I need to--I'll let you know.
 

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Just bumping this up again, the serial numbers coming have been very slow but our appreciation goes out to all the Members/Collectors here that have contributed. Could everyone also check their parts bin and the like for any that might have been stashed? Even on the numbers we have it is a real eye opener when looking at some of the production runs concerning jewel count and the like, as it appears the Rockford Watch Co chopped and changed production direction much more than other watchmaking concerns of the day. So we need more serial numbers to confirm the correct starting points of the production runs and info such as jewel counts, as I have said previously photos speak a thousand words.
 

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I also have one to contribute, # 43421. Nice plates and dial. PWDB says its a Model 2 9J hunter. Replacement 2 oz. coin case, appears to be a Fortenbach or Fahys?

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Here you go my friend.

S#7086 18s 15j PL "Geo W Dirckinson, Ashtabula, O" Gilt LEVER set stem wind. This is the earlier lever position and acts more as a switch as it does not slide out. Confirmed not an Abbot's.

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