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Discussion in 'American Pocket Watches' started by Jon Hanson, Jun 17, 2009.
How do the members feel about using these?
This is a conundrum. Is it better to use repro hands or find some minty originals which probably have been parted out. Still, there are plenty of originals on cards to be had, but how can we tell? I guess I wouldn't take much issue with aftermarket hands as it really doesn't affect overall value too much, does it?? Originality is another matter. I guess I really don't know.
Someone should create a list of transgressions to watches on a scale of most offensive to least offensive as it pertains to value and originality.
Larry, the FAKE and repro hands I have seen are quite different from the original and, yes, they exist and evidentally were sold on cards as the originals.
I have some very odd lots of loose hands. I don't dare use one because King Kong would be (after me) 1. accusing me of participating in a part-out and 2. hand switching.
However, be sure that many hand switchers don't admit it. What many watchmakers do, though, is work from bone yards (yes, this is a long time term) of old movements. They feel that it is quicker to switch a hand from another movement than look through hundreds/thousands of hands.
If the members wish, I might post pictures of some carded NOS hands (and, no, I won't break these sets) later.
Nothing like a watch
Check over on 149 for some, Terry.
Here's a card of Waltham key wind hands.
Thanks Brian, as i could not find them on 149... even with a search.
Them's got to be like 'gold'.... and to me would be hard to remove from the card.... to break em up.
But how does one interpet '2nd quality'?
I don't know what they mean by 2nd quality. I've never seen any cards marked 1st quality.
No I won't break up the complete card, but I do have a few stray pairs of the hands.
Personally, I'm less offended by fake hands than I am by fake dials.
Like a VIRGIN roll of antique crystals, I will not break up a card of ORIGINAL hands!
Don't disagree with that Jon...
Something is wrong with my arrow to click on and can't do photos and
check to see if it is still plugged in...
So now someone has to use FAKE or REPRO hands because someone else wants to look at a card of original hands for the rest of his life. For people who are harping on originality, no switching, etc, how is someone supposed to keep a watch somewhat original if they can't get a hold of a real, period watch hand? A watch hand on a card cannot tell time. Just my humble opinion.
They're not, they're supposed to suffer with a faked up watch.
Nevertheless, I agree that the card of hands should not be broken up.
But as a set, it is a piece of history that tells how things were done. Lot of information for a researcher in a complete card..., not only horology, but also marketing, packaging as well as paper or cardboard manufacturing. It comes down to which is more valuable to have, a restored watch or a complete card... It might not be so important now, but who knows what a hundred years will bring... It just depends...
Now I am confused, I can't use fake or repro and now I can't use oem. Might as well just part them out, OH NO, so the oem parts are available to someone else, but then it wouldn't be original, darn. Put a few good cards in the museum so everyone can look at them and release the rest so others can put a watch together properly and not offend the purists. I don't think grandpa worried much what year the hands on his watch were produced as long as they fit and he could read the watch. A watch is an instrument that measures time, something we can't own, just use up and waste. I would like all of my watches to be original but time takes its toll on all mechanical things. While I am awed by some of the original examples out there, if it can't be carried or used, is it useful?
The simple answer is to use hands from a USED CARD!
Shall I send you some loose ones to reconstruct the card?
Then we could be co-conspirators in a FAKE card of hands!
You mean you want to fake, bake, take and shake a card of hands? Then we could put them on fleaBay and make a MINT?
Just testing you BRO! Thank God for a few PURISTS!
Get a MINT for a MINT! Flavorful!
Re: repro and FAKE hands _To BrianC
So are those moon hands meant for 16S Elgin convertibles, as I could use a couple of the minute hands that still have the tip (the part past the "Moon-hole")? Anyway, just wondering !
Thanks, Brad Maisto, Indiana Chapter 18 president (Maisto_Brad_R@Lilly.com)
Those hands are for 18s Waltham's.