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Discussion in 'Complicated Watches' started by Luca, May 19, 2010.
As pictured below. I don't believe this is a Patek but I'm not an expert. Anyone want to weigh in?
It might be as Patek did make repeaters using that style of movement and not all Pateks are marked Patek. However that type of repeater movement was also made by others such as LeColture. There is always a possibility that there may be maker's marks under the dial.
I had the pleasure of handling a watch with such a movement recently while at the NAWCC Library, brought in by folks seeking an ID. The movement was unmarked, but the dial was marked Bailey, Banks and Biddle (a well known jewelry dealer in the Philadelphia area). This set me to do some research on BB&B and Patek. Sure enough BB&B did sell repeater watches with Patek unmarked movements.
Re:Really hard to say without any other info
I'd say from the layout it resembles Patek, but it might not be so as I've seen similar layout in CH Meylan and Touchon. It'll be better if you can provide a S/N, and clearer pictures.
I doubt its Patek. Patek almost always used wolf's teeth winding wheels, especially in repeaters.
It is also a lot different from the Touchon repeaters I have seen.
My guess is C. H. Meylan
1) The rarely used wold teeth winding wheels but always made very high quality
2) They liked to cut out the winding bridge to follow the shape of the center wheel.
3) They often engraved "Adjusted" as on this example
I listed reasons because it is guess
The main reason I ask is that this is being auctioned as a 'Patek' repeater but no justification is given as to why. I asked but got no response. It doesn't really look Patek to me and I think Dr. Jon is on the right track. Meylan maybe.
I have found that C.H. Meylans vary a great deal. I cannot rule out the
the C.H. Meylan attribution, but the movement is not identical to the my signed C.H. Meylan minute repeater nor to my Theo. Starr PL minute repeater that Antiquorom attributed to C.H. Meylan.
I think yours are earlier than the Luca posted. The large difference is the absent gold chatons but everyone stopped using them.
The difference click are a more serious issue and I have not seen this style ona Meylan before. taht could be my ignorance or a later change, but it is a real issue to me.
Note the similarity between these and the later one in the shape of the three cocks and the way "Adjusted" is engraved the shape of the whiplash spring (slightly different but very similar) and the winding wheel teeth.
I like Ethan's better than the mystery watch. I think Meylan is most likely of the candidates I can think of but what I am more sure of is that the mystery watch is not a Patek Phillipe.
Re: Here are my Meylans for comparison
The top one is a private label but surely a Meylan with ultrathin movt S/N 5879, the bottom one is a regular thickness one in hunter case S/N 5140. CH Meylan did their repeaters and complicated watches in small S/N groups below 10000, it'll help to ID if S/N can be provided.
Here is a very similar minute repeater I own. Dial and movement only say Bailey Banks and Biddle. I'm wondering who made the movement serial # 127953 Handed down to me from my certified expert Horologist grandfather! I have his certificate of examination from 1920's!!!
It is Lecoultre, a derivation of their cal. UMV or RMV if it is a minute repeater, or UPV or RPV if quarters.