R.N. Goddard gold pocket watch

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  1. goldenstar

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    I have inherited a gold pocket watch from my grandfather and am interested in finding out if the movement is Swiss made. I believe the gold case was hallmarked in 1906 and the watchmaker was R.N. Goddard of 44 Ridge Rd, London. I have found little about him other than his father was a watch maker before him and Robert eventually became a comedian in 1901 which conflicts with the case date of marking. Can anyone shine a little light on this mystery? View attachment 352794 View attachment 352795 View attachment 352796 [
     
  2. Omexa

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    Hi goldenstar, I would say it is English made; much better than Swiss made! not necessarily by R.N. Goddard. The movement has an English style Escape Wheel. Regards Ray
     
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    Hi goldenstar, and welcome,

    The signature on the movement, R.N. Goddard, was the retailer and may not have had very much to do with the actual manufacture of the watch. At this late date, the 'raw' movement was probably made in Coventry and finished in London by one of the better houses, such as Nicole Nielsen or Usher & Cole. Dates for companies and individual tradespeople are mostly known from trades directories and also from dated examples, mostly through hallmarking.

    The 18 carat case however, was made by Frederic Thoms of 25 Spencer Street, London, who was one of the most highly regarded case makers of his time, making cases for the very best watches. He registered this mark on 4th December 1902.

    Everything looks in very good condition, including the dial and beautiful original hands. A sign of quality is the presence of two fly springs for the hunter case front cover.

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    Graham
     
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    Your watch is signed R.H. Goddard, not R.N.

    Probably doesn't matter very much, but just for the record.

    JTD
     
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    Goldenstar,

    can we see the case covers? would be nice to see the rest of the quality that Graham refers to. Graham thanks for that note about the dual cover springs. Having many American watches and few European not seen this before.

    Joe.
     
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    #6 goldenstar, Aug 8, 2017
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    Thank you all for your replies they have been most helpful. Sorry I misidentified the watch as made by R.N. Goddard it was made by his son R.H., the ornate inscription was confusing. Here is some information I found on R.N. Goddard.
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    This has to be the same Goddard. This is the 1901 census and Robert N Goddard is the father and is listed as a retired watch maker. The address is Ridge Road. The son is listed – Robert H Goddard and he is now a comedian.

    Name Robert N Goddard
    Event Type Census
    Event Date 31 Mar 1901
    Event Place Hornsey, Middlesex, England
    County Middlesex
    Civil Parish Hornsey
    Ecclesiastical Parish Hornsey St Luke
    Sub-District Hornsey
    Registration District Edmonton
    Residence Note Ridge Road
    Gender Male
    Age 70
    Occupation RETIRED WATCH MAKER
    Relationship to Head of Household Father
    Birth Year (Estimated) 1831
    Birthplace Bethnal Green, London

    Thanks
    Keith
     
  7. gmorse

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    Hi Keith,

    Just to be clear, although both Goddards were registered as 'watchmakers', they did not make this watch; no single person ever did. It was the product of a manufacturing process involving very many specialist craftspeople, (between 50 and 100 if you count all the processes involved), not necessarily working together in a single factory, although at this date the concept was much closer to our modern idea of a factory than it had been in the earlier days of the 'putting out' system.

    Regards,

    Graham
     
  8. Dr. Jon

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    The people who took responsibility for a watch in selling it "examined it" The book on english watchmaking by David Glasgow explains this and what it includes. This is probably what your ancestor did, and i was considered to be watchmaking at teh time and still is.

    He very likely also regulated it, in other words did some final adjsutments to get to run more accurately.
     
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