question: RE "Elgin Movement" on dial

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  1. musicguy

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    #1 musicguy, Jul 17, 2017
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    question: RE "Elgin Movement" signature on dial

    I'm looking at a late 1890's Elgin 12s pocket watch with "Elgin Movement" on the dial
    I've read that Watches with dials that state “Elgin movement” are private label watches?
    It may be a replacement dial.

    I googled “Elgin movement”, on dial and saw some much later wrist watches with
    the same on their dial.

    Rob
     
  2. Mikie T

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    The 12s BW Raymond I recently bought had a "Elgin Movement" dial. It definitely looked like it didn't flatter the movement so we figured "replacement".
    (I recently put on a double sunk dial.)

    Before the change:
    [​IMG]




    After the new dial:
    [​IMG]



    Mike
     
  3. Jim Haney

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    I think I answered Mike on his dial, that they are metal painted dials offered by the material dept. as a generic replacements.
     
  4. Brad Maisto

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    Rob,
    I am definitely no expert, but the "Elgin Movement" marked dial looks like a later replacement painted metal dial! I have never seen original Elgin ceramic or porcelain dial marked this way.
    Just my 2 cents, Brad Maisto, Kentucky Floral #44 Secretary (born and raised in Elgin, IL)
     
  5. musicguy

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    Re: question: RE "Elgin Movement" on dial

    I forgot about yours Mike, this one has the same signature but looks
    much different.



    rob

    - - - Updated - - -

    This one is metal, with gold applied numbers. I think it may be re cased and new(er) dial.


    Rob
     
  6. musicguy

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    Sorry I didn't see your post(here or in the old thread), I did go back and
    look at Mikes 12s BW Raymond thread but didn't read the whole thing





    Rob
     
  7. musicguy

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    Interestingly this is also a grade 193 (but not marked B.W. Raymond) it's
    very a low production one from the first run.
    Don't know if I need another one of these grade 193's, but I do
    really like the jeweled barrel. lol

    Rob
     
  8. Mikie T

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    Rob.... Of course you need another one.
    We all need another one....LOL

    Mike
    :bigsmile:
     
  9. PWfanatik

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    Was there a possible desire to make a distinction involving movements that were in cases not made by the movement manufacturer?
    Or the operative question, is the case an Elgin case?
    Dave.
     
  10. Jim Haney

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    Dave,
    In Rob's post #1 he says that the movement is a late 1890's model.

    Elgin ( and for that matter) most companies did not make cases for their movements until the 1920's???
     
  11. PWfanatik

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    Thank you Jim.
     
  12. diveboy

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    in wristwatch sense, you will find "elgin movement" dials on 3rd party cases, where someone has worn out a case and brought a replacement case and had a watch maker re-case t he movement.

    I wouldn't see any difference with this as pocket watch version.
     
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