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quality level of this Swiss watch

Alan G

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A friend has sent me photos of a Swiss watch he inherited--just wanted to know if it was of high-enough quality to warrant repair. My first reaction was that it was an inexpensive watch made for export. The case is marked "Lutz Brothers, Locle" and "detached lever, 13 Jewels"

I'm not sure if I am attaching photos correctly, so I'll start out with just one to see if it works.

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Alan G

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A friend has sent me photos of a Swiss watch he inherited--just wanted to know if it was of high-enough quality to warrant repair. My first reaction was that it was an inexpensive watch made for export. The case is marked "Lutz Brothers, Locle" and "detached lever, 13 Jewels"

I'm not sure if I am attaching photos correctly, so I'll start out with just one to see if it works.

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A friend has sent me photos of a Swiss watch he inherited--just wanted to know if it was of high-enough quality to warrant repair. My first reaction was that it was an inexpensive watch made for export. The case is marked "Lutz Brothers, Locle" and "detached lever, 13 Jewels"

I'm not sure if I am attaching photos correctly, so I'll start out with just one to see if it works.

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Alan G

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Well, if you click on the ZIP file, you can open the four photos he sent me. I can't figure out any other way to send them.

i was surprised by the face of the watch--not what I was expecting. Except for the face, I thought it looked like an inexpensive watch made for export. He mentioned that the inside case cover said "K18"--he wondered if that meant 18K gold. I told him I had heard that these marks were often fake.

The watch doesn't currently work, and from his description, I think it needs a new mainspring and a new staff. It doesn't seem to have any great sentimental value to him. The watchmaker I normally use will only do American movements. My friend, by the way, lives in Toronto. Any comments greatly appreciated.

Alan Goebes
 

Ethan Lipsig

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The watch appears to be a typical Swiss bar movement aimed at the English-speaking market, as show by the English inscription. It is worth a little more than the net scrap value of the case. 95-99% of pocket watches are worth little more (perhaps as much as $300) than the scrap value of their cases. We collectors hate to see pocket watches scrapped or discard, but that is the inevitable fate of many pocket watches, such as this one, that have little value to collectors, little sentimental value, and that need repairs to run properly. The cost of having a professional restore this watch will exceed the value of the movement.
 
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Alan G

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The watch appears to be a typical Swiss bar movement aimed at the English-speaking market, as show by the English inscription. It is worth a little more than the net scrap value of the case. 95-99% of pocket watches are worth little more (perhaps as much as $300) than the scrap value of their cases. We collectors hate to see pocket watches scrapped or discard, but that is the inevitable fate of many pocket watches, such as this one, that have little value to collectors, little sentimental value, and that need repairs to run properly. The cost of having a professional restore this watch will exceed the value of the movement.
That's what I initially told him, but wanted to be sure, since I only collect American.

Re the "K18" mark--fake or purposely misleading? Seems doubtful that a cheap watch would be in a solid-gold case...
 

gmorse

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Hi Alan,
Seems doubtful that a cheap watch would be in a solid-gold case...
They often are, but many of the cases at the cheaper end are pretty thin and flimsy. They were sold on their external appearance more than the quality of the movements. Having said that, you're right to be sceptical of the actual purity of the metal which does sometimes test at a lower value than the marking claims.

Regards,

Graham
 

Incroyable

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Hi Alan,


They often are, but many of the cases at the cheaper end are pretty thin and flimsy. They were sold on their external appearance more than the quality of the movements. Having said that, you're right to be sceptical of the actual purity of the metal which does sometimes test at a lower value than the marking claims.

Regards,

Graham
I've also seen many push button repeaters in the same kind of thin coppery looking gold cases.
 

Incroyable

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It was an established practice, gold case and a modest movement inside. People flaunted the gold of the case very few people cared about movement.
Regards enrico
It's similar to those very ornamental gold watch dials and cases. Almost all of them contain very mediocre movements.
 

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