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  1. Jerry Treiman

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    How about a Mermod Jaccard & Co. to cover Missouri ?
     
  2. StanJS

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    John,

    I think you are fishing for compliments. ;) You caught one. She's a real beaut!

    Cheers,
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  3. John Cote

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    Mississippi: I love this dude's name!:D

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  6. Jon Hanson

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    Shame on you John, especially at Christmas time!:rolleyes:
     
  7. John Cote

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    I have to drag Harry out of the closet every once in a while Jon. He like's Christmas as well as the next dude....and he can't help that his Pops had a wicked sense of humor.
     
  8. Jon Hanson

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    It's not the Dix's fault, yours.

    (remember the 16s Ill I posted several years ago?)
     
  9. Dave Coatsworth

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    Even though Fred started us out with Illinois, hopefully no one will mind too much if I add my own personal favorite. The last photo is of the storefront as it existed in the 1870's.
     

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  10. Steven Mercer

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    Another for NY.

    Hard to see, need to get a better scan, but it reads:

    Made for .H.M. Jacobson, Albany N.Y.
    By .American Watch Co.
    Waltham, Mass.
     

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    Nudder for New York... one of my first watches... KW /KS.18s
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  12. Fred Hansen

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    Its been a pretty chilly day here in Northern Illinois with the thermometer reading a little below zero Fahrenheit and with a stiff wind that make things feel even colder out there. I don't mind temperatures in the 20's or 30's this time of year, but I'm definitely not a fan of temperatures that are on the wrong side of zero.

    So on a day like today I like to close my eyes for a bit and think of some place warmer, somewhere with lots of sunshine and with beautiful sandy beaches. Here's a watch to help with this!

    An 18 size hunting case 1883 model Waltham that is marked on the dial and movement for H.F. Wichman of Honolulu, and is in a gold-filled hunting case that is not its original. Waltham factory records show this one as coming from a run dating to 1891 which would put its production at a time when the Hawaiian islands were still the sovereign nation known as the Kingdom of Hawaii. It was not until 1898 that Hawaii became an American territory, and not until 1959 that Hawaii became the 50th American state.

    From some internet searching I've found a little information on Wichman. Henry F. Wichman was born 1866, and entered the jewelry business in Honolulu in 1887 and soon became a successful and prominent Hawaiian jeweler. Wichman passed away in 1921 at the age of 55, but the jewelry firm of H.F. Wichman & Co. continued on and remains in Honolulu.
     

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  13. Jon Hanson

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    Hamilton 925...Roswell, NM
     

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    And the Great State of Texas ....
     

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    Loose dial Greenwood SC

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    Lawrence :???: KS ... or AL, or Mass, or NY or Neb, or NC ...
     

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    Here's another from Indiana --
     
  19. Jon Hanson

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    16 1/2 size Waltham hunter

    Calif. PL
     

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  20. Fred Hansen

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    Awesome response so far!

    I think its pretty neat that we had one from Roswell as the representative for New Mexico. And we can all thank John Cote for covering Mississippi by bringing Mr. Harry Dix to the party ... :)

    So we're moving along pretty quick now with only 14 states still not shown in this thread ...

    Alabama
    Alaska
    Arizona
    Connecticut
    Delaware
    Florida
    Louisiana
    Maryland
    Montana
    Nebraska
    Nevada
    North Dakota
    Utah
    Wyoming


    Fred
     
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    Pardon the dirt but, here's Alabama. Otto Stoelker, Montgomery, Alabama. Dial is just 'Illinois Watch Co.' (If I'm remembering right, I got this one from you, Fred.)
     

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    A little bit different, I think its an American, from Connecticut...
     

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    Here's one from Missouri.
     

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    .....and it's sister

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  26. Steven Mercer

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    Another from Washington, dial only:

    George F. Cohrs
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    Movement only signed:

    Aug. Steman.
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    Va. & Carson

    I am still not entirely certain of the significance of the "Carson" portion. Perhaps Carson, Virginia or Carson City??
     

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  29. Fred Hansen

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    Hi Bryan -

    Check out this link I just found through Google ...

    http://books.google.com/books?id=lPjYMhyl1nAC&pg=PA99&lpg=PA99&dq=%22chatelain+%26+golden%22&source=bl&ots=lVG13HqezK&sig=S_YrZpfqNXl0lrkSZGQXxgU0VKQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

    There is a paragraph there that lists these names as a pair of jewelers in Virginia City, Nevada.

    I also pulled this Virginia City up on Google maps and it is only about 15 miles from Carson City, Nevada.

    So I think this is your answer, and another state now shown in this thread ... :)

    Fred
     
  30. Bryan Eyring

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    Awesome work Gumshoe Hansen!

    So what states does that now leave us with?
     
  31. Fred Hansen

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    #81 Fred Hansen, Dec 26, 2008
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    Right now we're down to just 10 left ...

    Alaska
    Arizona
    Delaware
    Florida
    Louisiana
    Montana
    Nebraska
    North Dakota
    Utah
    Wyoming

    ... pretty good for a thread that's only 8 days old!

    Fred
     
  32. Fred Hansen

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    Headed up north now ... WAY up north ... to Nome, Alaska.

    The city of Nome, Alaska is in the Northwestern part of the state and its history centers around the discovery of gold in this area in the late 1890's. News of this discovery quickly spread and within a few years the population of Nome exploded, going from virtually zero up to 12,488 at the 1900 US Census and on to an estimated peak of 20,000 in the few years following. The city of Nome was incorporated April 9, 1901. In modern times the city of Nome has around 4,000 residents and is the end point of the yearly Iditarod dog sled race.

    The watch is a grade 925 Hamilton marked on the dial and movement with "Segerstrom & Hagen, Nome Alaska".
     

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  33. Lyle P

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    Private label for Wyoming.


    ZEHNER JACKSON & BUECHNER
    CHEYENNE WYO

    Movement is AURORA - EXTRA - 11 JEWELS NO.31417
     

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    Private label for Nebraska.

    C. L. WASSERMAN JEWELER
    SEWARD, NEB.
     

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  35. Fred Hansen

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    Nice watches Lyle! The last one looks like an 18 size Hamilton to me ... is this correct?

    Fred
     
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    Fred,
    You are correct.
    The Nebraska private label watch is a Hamilton 926 - S/N 617227
     
  37. Fred Hansen

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    Here's another watch private-label marked to a gold mining town ... Virginia City, Montana.

    Virginia City is located in the southwestern part of the state, and gold was discovered in this area in the early 1860's. News of the discovery spread and by the mid 1860's the Virginia City area had about 10,000 residents and was named the capital of the Montana territory. But Virginia City's gold rush was not long lived though and by the mid 1870's the population had declined to a few hundred and Helena became the capital of the Montana territory. Unlike many mining towns though, many of the original buildings in Virginia City remained intact through the following decades. In more recent times much of Virginia City has been preserved as state government owned historic landmarks. Currently this town has only around 150 year round residents, but many thousands pass through each year to see the historic buildings from the 19th century gold mining days.

    The watch is a grade 926 Hamilton from about 1903 with a factory marked movement but with a dial signed "Chas. E. Goldsmith, Virginia City Mont." ...
     

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  38. Fred Hansen

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    Thanks Lyle!

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    Private label for Utah.

    Aurora movement signed O.L. ELIASON SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH
    Serial Number 41824
     

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    Nice Watch Lyle!
     
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    Fred,

    There is a photo of the columbus 18 size movemet marked Florida
    central and Peninsular Railroad in the Bulletin Feb 1982 # 216 article
    marked The railroad marked watch by Bill Meggers.

    Would you consider this in your request for a P.L. marked watch for
    the State of Florida?
     
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    Private label A.E. Huberman ,Omaha,Nebraska:

    Ill 18 size grade 2 1/2 HG2L 15 J 1166987 ( 1893)
     
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    Addition to Ill grade 2/1/2 marked A. B. Huberman that I have in front of me:

    Movement marked:
    A.B. Hubermann, 15 Jewels
    Omaha, Neb.
    Dial marked:
    A.B. Hubermann
    Omaha, Neb
    Dial is SS hard enamel RN
     
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    Do you have Washington? Anyway here's one from Tekoa, just on the border to Idaho. Dial only on a 21J 18s Rockford.
     

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  45. Fred Hansen

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    The thread has four Washington state private-labels now shown ... but its always nice to see a range of examples so the more the better and thanks for posting!

    The other Washington state marked private labels in this thread are ...

    - Chehalis, WA on a 16 size Illinois at post #47
    - Blaine, WA on a 16 size Hampden at post #50
    - Pomeroy, WA on an 18 size Waltham at post #76

    Fred
     
  46. Fred Hansen

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    Hi Bernie -

    Sounds good to me and this is a fantastic watch with the Florida railroad connection.

    This bulletin article is one of my favorites and for anyone with any interest in Railroad marked watches it is definitely worth finding a copy of this bulletin. The article is over 40 pages in length and highlighted by dozens of photos of terrific watches and is also a great read for Bill's terrific comments on each of these watches. Bill has had a huge positive influence on thousands of collectors in our hobby, and he is greatly missed.
     

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    We've gotten down now to just 4 states left not shown yet in this thread ...

    Arizona

    Delaware
    Louisiana
    North Dakota


    Fred
     
  48. bernie levine

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    Fred,

    This is just a thought:

    A number of years ago I found an a full page ad in the Jewelers Circular
    weekly by the Southbend Watch CO. circa 1910. The ad consisted of
    pictures of the entire Southbend Watch Co sales force and under the name and
    was their sales territory. Under the New Mexico picture it stated New Mexico
    as a U.S. Territory before it became a state circa 1912. So I wonder
    if there were any private label watches sold in New Mexico before state
    hood?
    Now I made a copy of this add and gave it to one of my fellow NAWCC
    Southbend collectors. About a year ago, I called him to make me a copy
    and he did not know what he did with it. After that I went back to the
    circular weekly and searched for the ad and have been unable to find.
    When I am able to go back to the library I will try once more.
     
  49. Fred Hansen

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    Hi Bernie -

    I can say that there definitely are some private-labels marked to pre-statehood New Mexico.

    The earliest I can remember having seen might be a Peoria Watch Co. movement that was marked to Arthur Everitt in Albuquerque. And the Hamilton watch private-label to Roswell shown in this thread at post #64 should date to about 1900.

    These pre-statehood private labels make a very interesting group and I know some collectors really like them when the dials are marked with the word "Territory" along with the area. One that we haven't seen in this thread yet but that does exist are private-labels marked "Indian Territory" from areas that were to eventually become part of the current state of Oklahoma.

    Fred
     
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    I tried to solve this mystery by checking the US census but no luck. The only Geo. W. de Mars listed is in the 1930 census. He is listed as a 28 year old machine shop foreman living in Stonington, CT.

    Rats,

    Joe
     

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