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  1. ViennaReg

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    Gebr Resch Remember 3-weight Vienna

    My wife bought a Gebr Resch Remember 3-weight Vienna 200000 / 41944 which I believe was made in 1871 - ninth year of production. This is our 10[SUP]th[/SUP] antique pendulum clock and I just love it. The mechanism is match SN to the mounting base but the pendulum is a different SN. I addition I believe it may not be in the original case as the backboard has holes for several different mountings. Nonetheless, it is very striking in appearance and keeps excellent time. I bought reproduction cast lead weights and a new pendulum bob. My wife paid $700 for the clock at and antique store and I'm thinking it was a fair price. I'd be interested if someone more knowledgeable would care to state an approximate value.

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  2. Anetta

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    Hi.
    Good loocking clock. Congrats.
    This clock was made in XX ceuntry. If i'm correct, on the back of the back plate movement u could see the name Ebensee.
    Would u be ablle to take more pitures of this clock please. The movement from the back plate and the wodden case from the back side to please. The end ( hanger ) of the pendulum, and the exact hanger for the movement. That will tell me some more informations. Just to let u know the bob pendulum would not be made by Resch. This is ofcourse my own opinion.

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  3. Rockin Ronnie

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    1902 GB Braunau movement. 2-weight time and strike. Everything original except for the glass and dial bezel.

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  4. leeinv66

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    Nice clock Ronnie!
     
  5. ViennaReg

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    Anetta, thank you for your reply...

    Yes, it has the name Ebensee embossed on the back of the back plate. I have replaced the bob with new because of bad condition. I am having difficulty with both gongs. They apparently have not be treated well by previous owners. It is hard to align both the spiral wrap and vertical positioning so coils don't touch each other and still miss the swing of the pendulum. I have many hours trying to get a satisfactory outcome to no avail. Is it possible to purchase replacement gongs for this mechanism?
     
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    U welkome :) Fiev of mine Rasch clocks.

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  7. Artillero

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    Gentlemen,
    Here are pictures of my one and only Vienna regulator. It is 51" tall, 15 1/2" wide and 7 1/2 " deep. It is walnut and walnut veneer with ebonized trim and details. The back and top appear to be made of pine. The finish appears to be original. The glass appears to be original or of the period because of the minor evidence of waviness/ air bubbles and imperfections in the cutting as evidenced on the bottom edges. The details of the carving are quite well executed and appear to be generally intact. The case back has no evidence of additional holes but does show some minor evidence of long deceased insect damage. There was some minor delamination of the walnut veneer in addition to some minor veneer chipping on the case bottom, but the seller had these areas professionally repaired as part of the deal so they are unnoticeable. I was lucky enough to locate some antique brass wall levelors with pie crust knobs which matched the outline of the originals. She runs quite well and I rather like the sound of the of the coiled wire gongs. They are not as rich as a rod gong but I wouldn't consider them unpleasant either. I don't think that I will be able to afford nor convince my bride of the need to acquire another one of these magnificent clocks so hopefully this is a good example of the type and not a "frankenclock" ie something pieced together.

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  8. leeinv66

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    I think you have purchased wisely Artillero! Looks to be a nice example of a Alt Deutsch style 3-weight Vienna to me. I cannot see anything that would suggest that this clock had been pieced together. It appears to be an original clock in very good condition. I'd guess it was made late 1800's, probably sometime between 1890 and 1900ish. Congratulations on your purchase! I am sure it will give you much pleasure for many years to come.
     
  9. Artillero

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    Peter,
    Thank you for taking time to provide me with your opinion. The clock has been running well, albeit a tad slow, since hanging it on the wall two weeks ago. I have been adjusting it gradually. I understand that once properly adjusted these clocks are capable of good accuracy. The gongs have a mellow pleasant tone-not overpowering as with some striking clocks. i look forward to hearing the sound every fifteen minutes.

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  10. MillTime

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    I've never been a huge fan of Vienna regulators, thinking of them as overly ornate. But I recently had the opportunity to do an overhaul on the movement of this clock for the shop I work for, which had recently acquired it. I was really taken with the high quality, simple movement. And when I saw the case (which had been in the basement) and put it together, I just fell in love with it (which is very rare). I made a deal with the shop owner (who purchased it from a customer for a ridiculously low price) to trade future services for it.
    I like the clean lines and prefer the one piece dial to the later two piece dials. The top is broken off (though I have it) and I think it looks better without the top. I was really not familiar with all the different styles of Vienna regulators before. After doing a bit of research, I'm guessing that this is from 1845-1850, based on the case style, one piece dial and brass backed bob. But I'm sure you Vienna regulator enthusiasts can provide more accurate info.
     

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    Mill, it could potentially be even earlier than 1850, but more photos (movement) and research would be needed. I'd be curious to see the top, because it definitely looks like it's missing something due to how the centre crown thins out a lot in the centre. I expect that the top is a delicate pierced carving (sort of a fretwork piece).

    This is a top-end piece, and I sincerely hope your realize what kind of a steal it was. I've seen similar pieces for 5 figures.
     
  12. MillTime

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    WOW!!!! I had no idea it was that valuable. Here's a picture of the top.
     

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    A couple of pics of the movement.
     

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    Keep in mind that prices have plummeted in the past 10 years, and the 5 figure price would be if it were for sale through a high-end antiques retailer.

    Does the anchor form a long V shape? It looks like it does. I believe 1840-50 would be a good approximate date. Some earlier ones tend to have the anchor in the shape of a "C" on an extended leg, sort of like this:

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  15. MillTime

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    This definitely has the "C" shaped anchor, not the "V". I can get a picture tomorrow morning.
     
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    Any chance of seeing it with the top on?

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  17. MillTime

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    Pictures with the top on. It's front heavy and would tip over so I had to tape it to my level to keep it upright. That's the yellow you see on the sides. Also the best picture I could get of the anchor.
     

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    Maybe it's just me but I like it with the crown on, balances the clock and brings out the other ebony (looks like) trim pieces .

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    Oh yes! That might be my "Dream Clock". How was the top originally fixed on? A couple of dowels might fix it invisibly if the original method can not be replicated.
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  21. Sooth

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    Gorgeous! Whether you choose to display it with or without the top, just be sure not to lose it, since it adds significantly to the value. I think it looks great with the top in place. As far as the anchor, I believe this is the earliest form used in these Viennese clocks, but that doesn't necessarily point to any specific date. I'd comfortably estimate 1840s, but it's really more to do with the case style.
     
  22. MillTime

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    Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'm guessing someone tried to pick up the clock by the top piece. It's connected by two dowels and they broke off. Maybe in the future I will repair it. I will certainly make sure to keep the top! I think it looks great as is.
     
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    I suppose this is how many clocks like this lose their top piece. Fix it or you will likely forget where you put it. Pretty easy to drill out the broken parts and put in a new dowel. Only glue the dowels to the top piece, and make it removable by pulling up on it.
     
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    Jacob Weber in Wien. Active 1847 - 1893, Rotenturmstrasse 20. Dial 5,9". Interesting R - A indicator.

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    Yes, that is a very interesting pendulum bob! Not my taste, but interesting just the same.
     
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    It is Piotr, I've not seen that type of adjustment before.
     
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    This is indicator rather, not adjustment really. There's the traditional screw and the nut, too.
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  28. TJ Cornish

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    This is my first Vienna. It's a Gustav Becker Braunau around serial# 316000 (any date guess?) with a porcelain dial and circular gong wire. I purchased this from a retiring clock guy while traveling. Within a few hours of owning it, I hung it on a screw in the wall of the place we were staying, and it went crash.


    The case came apart at a couple seams where the glue had become brittle and the front glass broke. The movement sheared off the four mounting pillars and the weights pulled out the knot at the end of the cable.


    I was obviously pretty bummed, but upon closer inspection, the problems seemed fixable. I machined new movement pillars and swaged them to the plate, replaced the front glass, and glued the case joints back together.


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    After re-tying the weight cables, the clock ran fine, though the strike got stuck sometimes. After taking the dial off and learning how the mechanism worked (I'm extremely green at clock repair), I figured out how to adjust the L-shaped rake lever that contacts the snail (I'm sure I'm using the wrong words).

    The case is slightly worse for it's gravitational adventure, but the door and carving work both top and bottom are all undamaged, so the clock looks great and is running and striking well.


    Needless to say, I learned a number of things, not the least being to not trust unknown screws in other people's houses.


    I do have one question - the strike mechanism is nearly as loud as the gong - there are a number of clicks and taps that seem like they are operating correctly - nothing is hitting that shouldn't be, but it just seems a little loud compared to a pretty mellow gong. Is this normal?



    Someday I'd like a nice single-weight Laterndluhr or Biedermeier for the bedroom.
     
  29. Walt Wallgren

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    Hi TJ,

    Welcome to the message board! Beautiful clock. I am happy that the "gravitational adventure" did only minor damage. With your knowledge of machining, I predict you will pick up the rest of the skills necessary to care for your clocks in short order.

    Looking at John Hubby's chart located here:

    https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?10545-Post-Your-Gustav-Becker-Clocks-Here/page159

    It looks as if your clock would be from about 1882. John's chart is the most comprehensive one available. He keeps it updated as more information comes to light.

    Definitely a clock to be proud to have on your wall.

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  30. tarant

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    In 1882 there was no GB manufactory in Braunau.
    Show the photos of the movement with SN :)
    The only way to win with the striking mechanism noise is to make the gong sound louder.
     
  31. Walt Wallgren

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    OOPs, I looked at Freiburg first and then Braunau and wrote down the wrong one anyway. That S/N shows up as 1903 in Braunau. 1882 was the date for a S/N of 316000 if manufactured in Freiburg.

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  32. TJ Cornish

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    Thanks for the replies and for the welcome. From the linked dating thread (thanks for that), it seems that 1903 is the right year since it's a Braunau. Here are the pictures of the movement markings.

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    That gong screw is positively horrifying. It would benefit greatly from a repair (repolish the surface, clean the slot with a thin file, and buff smooth).
     
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    The piece glued to the bottom of the hammer is not a factory option ;) That is why the gong sounds so quiet. Unfortunately, the sound of the gongs in these clocks does not match their stylish looks. At least to my ears anyway.
     
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    Lol. In the grand scheme of things that are wrong with my various clocks, this screw doesn't even make the top hundred problems. Someday when I'm not working a full-time job and being a husband and father of young children, maybe.
     
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    I wondered about that. Thanks!
     
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    A month ago I bought this serpentine, quite cehap, since it was not in working order. Today it came from repair shop.

    Unsigned mechanism, working as minimal movement, but similar to ones already submitted here. On wooden support date engraved 2/6/1876 but the clock itself might be older.

    On dial is written "Adolf Beckstein in Wien".
     

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    TJ, welcome to the NAWCC Message Board! Thanks for posting your story about your GB Vienna Altdeutsche style clock from their Braunau, Bohemia factory. The dating and manufacturing location were already well discussed so not much to add there.

    The clock falling from the wall is something I can very much relate to, I had a similar experience with a Schlenker & Kienzle Vienna that fell about five feet onto a marble floor. The wood in the case was quite brittle and shattered into numerous pieces. All the glass broke and the two weights created rather deep impressions in the bottom of the case since the clock had just been wound a few hours earlier. One of the weights folded the pendulum into a "V" shape and much of the case decor (molded wood paste) broke as well. The dial fortunately wasn't broken and only minor damage to the movement, but the case restoration was a real jigsaw puzzle exercise putting back together as there were more than 100 bits and pieces including the larger ones. In any event it took me about three months working after hours to reassemble it and rework it so none of the cracks or splinters would show. It's now in my shop for a long needed service, when I get that done I'll post some photos.
     
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    Ouch! I have a couple weight divots too, but was fortunate that none of the wood broke - just came apart at the joints. I'm glad you eventually got it back together.

    Thanks for the welcome and the empathy.
     
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    This is my favorite 2 weight regulator. Huge and impressive. Unfortunately even in this forum we were unable to identify maker of the clock. Best regards
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    3 Vienna's, left one is a 60 day runner, other 2 are 8 day.

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    Greetings!
    This is my Vienna acquired in shaby shape but now looking better. Does anybody have a guess who is the clockmaker? The movement does not appear to be marked except for the serial number:

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    Last year browsing ebay I have run on almost the same clock case but with different movement (M&S):

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    I should read and see carefully.
     
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    Mystery Vienna

    I purchased this single weight Vienna-style timepiece from a fellow NAWCC member. After case and movement repair, I finally have it running for the first time since bringing it home.

    The movement is unmarked, but the movement mount has a letter M near the base. Any ideas as to maker?

    Is this a pie crust bezel? If so, does this help with a date guesstimate?

    IMO, the case is bizarre.

    Comments appreciated.

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    Re: Mystery Vienna

    Hi Jim,
    The only Vienna movement maker I am aware of that used a dog bone shaped back cock was A.Willmann & Co. Hopefully one of our experts will be along to either confirm or deny this clock is from them. And no, I wouldn't call that a piecrust bezel. I would call your bezel embossed. These are piecrust: Click Here I would think your clock was made some time in the last quarter of the 1800s. Maybe 1890 plus or minus 10 years. But again, our experts will know more.
     
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    Re: Mystery Vienna

    Jim, thanks for posting your clock. Peter mentioned that the back cock is the same or very similar as those used by Willmann; however my research shows that was only for their time & strike movements. None of the Willmann time-only clocks I have documented have that back cock, and there are a number of significant other differences compared to this clock. Here is a photo of an unsigned Willmann time-only movement for comparison:

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    Note the back cock is a one-piece rectangular cast part. Also, the movement has a large hole in the center and a smaller one near the bottom. The pendulum crutch design is unique to Willmann and quite different from the one on your clock. I don't have a photo of the front of this movement but from side view it appears the motion works and intermediate wheel bridge are substantially different.

    My conclusion is that Willmann was not the maker, but also I don't have any suggestions who may have made it.
     
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    Thank you John!
     
  48. WRabbit

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    I purchased this single weight Vienna from an auction run by Walt Cade, auctioneer for the A&E show Storage Wars - Texas. (Walt is wearing the black shirt).

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    The auction was online and pickup location was in Longview, Texas. There were three weight-driven clocks in this auction, a single, a double, and a Grande Sonnerie. I was outbid on the double ($310) and the Grande Sonnerie ($510) on the two early lots, but won the single weight (1 hour later than the first 2).

    After arriving at the pickup location (the next day) I walked in, chatted with Walt, and then wandered through the spacious estate looking for my clock. I walked into a large living room with a marble fireplace on the opposite wall. On each side of this massive hearth, hung a beautiful Vienna clock. I noticed the weights from afar, a double and a triple. As I got closer their appearance worsened. Both cases were in poor condition structurally and were PEPPERED with worm holes. Neither clock looked like it had been touched or run in 20-25 years. I had a feeling of relief, knowing some unlucky person had outbid me on both clocks (same person) and saved me a bunch of cash and grief.

    After I came to my senses, I started to wonder about the clock I won. I continued exploring the home and found the clock I purchased hanging in the master bedroom opposite the foot of the bed. A quick check showed this one to be unlike the others, in that it was in nice shape and would provide an enjoyable weekend project. (You can't keep a cook's fingers out of the food).

    I brought it home, took it apart, fixed a few things, and put it back together.

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    Does anyone recognize the movement? How about a general date for the clock?

    It now hangs in a back bedroom.

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    Comments welcome.

    Jim

    Note: An east Texas furniture store bought the other two clocks.
     
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  49. salvtrinny

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    H. Endler & Co. Vienna wall clock. serial number looks like 76440

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  50. Dave T

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    Beautiful job on the restoration. I'm especially interested on what you did with the back board with the 4 way bookmatched panel. I have a clock that has the same pattern and badly needs some work on this part of the case. The back board is split right down the center, and one half of it has a fair amount of warpage. I'd like to preserve it, but not sure how to proceed.
     

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