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  1. Steven Thornberry

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    All right, I suspect the Cottage No. 2, shown in Tran from the 1883 catalogue, height 12 inches (Vol. 1); and the 1874 catalogue, height 10 1/2 inches (Vol. 2). Both are shown with winding arbor where yours is, indicating the same movement. The kicker is that there was also a Cottage No. 1, also 1874 catalogue, height 12 inches (Vol. 2). The No. 1 came as both 8-day and one-day, whereas the No. 2 was apparently only a one-day. Whereas the No. 2 could be either time only or time and strike, it is unclear whether the No.1 came as a time only; the 1874 catalogue picture is of a time and strike clock. The 1874 catalogue description itself is unclear, but reads, in pertinent part, the same as for the No. 2, which is an obvious time-only ("Spring-Strike"). Is that clear? I'm confused. Let's call it the No. 2 and go back to bed.
     
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    Thanks Steven, This one is 12".
     
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    #153 Steven Thornberry, Jan 18, 2014
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    I still opt for the No. 2, per the 1883 catalogue. The No. 1 may have been dropped in favor of the No. 2, for whatever reason. In any event, the Cottage No. 1 name does not appear in Vol. 1 of Tran's Waterbury, only in Vol. 2. Enjoy it. These little cottage clocks always help an attraction for me, and the-behind-the-plates spring is interesting. I want to attribute the design to Silas B. Terry, who worked for Waterbury 1861-67, but I may be misremembering.

    Well this article from the December 1995 Bulletin on Silas B. Terry and His Timepieces Outside the Back Plate seems to confirm him as the maker of the movement (well, anecdotally). The same movement as yours seems to be shown on page 741, fig. 9.
     
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    Thanks again. Yeah, I like the little clock,it's a good timekeeper and will run for 54hrs before it stalls. Both the time and alarm stems are the same size and I use a #5 french key to wind it because the alarm mechanism sits so low that the wings on a regular lenght key won't clear the case.
     
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    Nice little cottage timepiece alarm.

    Love them "cottages"!

    Funky little tablet.

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    Thanks RM, Yeah I think that was applied later in its life. The glass seems to be original,nice and wavy but that transfer has a late 1960's look to it. Flower power lives on!!!
     
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    Hello all,

    Two Waterbury "Tiffins" came to my attention and since they have some differences I thought I would post them here for the record. Tran has a "Tiffin" on page 865 in the new Waterbury Volume 2. Listed as made in oak or walnut with an optional alarm. I also found one on the web with a thermometer and storm glass on the side pieces.

    These ones are both walnut. The colour difference is caused by the fact that one was refinished while the other has its original finish. The refinisher also did not return the glue blocks on the back of the crest and used a brad nailer to attach the back to the case (40 times). Both clocks have the same base, same side pieces, same gong, and the same painted brass hands.

    I will summarize the differences by deciding that the clock with the raised applique is the earlier one while the flat pressed one is the later one. Tran's "Tiffin" listing says 1897 and his is the earlier one based on the shadows evident in his picture and the number of "beads" in the center of the crest. The flat pressed one would then be after 1900.

    The earlier one (lighter colour on the left of the photos) has raised applique on the crest. The center row of vertical "beads" has eight round elements. The dial is painted. The case box has a round top. The model name label is at the bottom. The pendulum bob is pressed brass with accessories on the rod. The movement has brass plates. The glass stencil is geometric in design. The door frame has a flat surface and is a pressed molding.

    The later one (on the right) has a flat pressed crest. The center row of "beads" has seven round elements. The dial is papered. The clock box has a flat top. The model name label is on the top. The pendulum bob is cast spelter with no rod accessories. The movement has steel plates with brass bushings. The stencil on the glass is a marsh scene with birds. The door frame has an angled surface and is a pressed molding.

    Since this was done with the "Tiffin" it was likely done with other models in that time period.

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  8. Steven Thornberry

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    Nice write-up on the Tiffin, Jim. Interesting variations in the same model over a period of (presumably) a few years. I wonder whether abandonment of the rounded case top, the beads and the appliques on the crest were cost-reduction measures or simple stylistic changes. Any thoughts?
     
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    Hello Steven,
    I'd go with the desire to reduce cost first. The later one has less wood, less brass, fewer cuts, fewer pieces, less gluing, all of which would reduce cost and it looks much the same. At first glance, the listing in Tran's book could work for either one. Also, the competition was doing the same thing. From the listings in Tran's books, all the kitchen clocks from all the manufacturers had become the pressed style from the applique style around 1900. All probably saving money and then, as a consequence, one company could not sell the "old" style very well either. But, I still think the changes are probably cost reduction driven first.
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    Thanks, Jim. Such was my impression, but I'm glad to have your thoughts.
     
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    Re: Waterbury Rochester

    This Waterbury "Rochester" came in for repair yesterday, and since it's not in my older Waterbury book, thought it might be worth documenting. It is large for it's type at 27 inches. Note the dial appears to have been repurposed from a calendar dial, with the original slits covered over. I suspect it might have been done at the factory, as the steel plate movement suggests a wartime clock. My customer has been informed that it dates to 1874, but I don't know if there were any steel plates used before around 1897 (Spanish/American war). Has a heavy pendulum for this type of clock. No extra holes to suspect either the dial or the movement couldn't be original. 195730.jpg 195731.jpg 195732.jpg 195733.jpg 195734.jpg 195735.jpg 195736.jpg 195737.jpg 195738.jpg 195739.jpg
     
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    Re: Waterbury Rochester

    Tran's vol. 1 of his book on Waterbury clocks (2d ed., 2001) does show the Rochester in the Calendar Clock section (p. 93, fig. 215), from the 1908 catalogue. I found no mention of it in his recent vol. 2, and it does not appear in vol. 1 outside the calendar clocks section. The pendulum in the catalogue picture appears to be the same.
     
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    Re: Waterbury Rochester

    Thanks, Steven, I never thought to look under calendar clocks. Kind of ironic based on the back of the dial. So I guess the steel movement could date it to the late 1800's.
     
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    Re: Waterbury Rochester

    Yeah, the back of the dial seems confusing. The two slits seem appropriate for the bottom dial of a double dial calendar clock, but there is an off-center hole that is also covered up that does not seem right for a day of the month hand. I can't figure it out off hand. The dial paper looks new. Maybe someone replaced the dial and movement?
     
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    Re: Waterbury Rochester

    It's a rather large dial, 7 inch chapter ring. The paper replacement was well done, but the dial is sort of bashed up where the holes are on the edge. Looking at picture 266, page 105 in my Waterbury book, it does look like the small holes might match up to mount the calendar dial. Some of the dial paper is pushed under the brass, very tightly. The paper is perfectly flat. If it is a replacement, it is quite old, and very well done.
     
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    Re: Waterbury Rochester

    Just finished this Waterbury Cottage for my sister. The patent date is 1874. Nice little runner. Robust ticker with a gong that sounds like a much larger clock.

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    Nice little clock, Lem. It's the Racer, shown in Tran from the 1891 catalogue. Came as time only or time and strike, with an alarm as an option. 13 1/2" high.
     
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    Thanks for the info, Steven. I've been wanting to pin down the model and year. Interesting about the options. This one has the brass alarm dial, and holes drilled the the mechanism, but no linkage or hole for the bell mount. I wonder if they just pre-drilled all the backs at the factory, or if someone simply yanked it sometime during its life.
     
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    Almost forgot! Found this 1920ish Waterbury Fulton schoolhouse as a basket case at an antique show last summer. Time only. Now the primary timekeeper in our living room.

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    Unless I'm missing something, the movement does not seem to have been set up for an alarm; at least, I don't see the expected lever on the front plate. I see two holes in the picture of the movement that appear to be covered by the label in the first picture. Is the label an addition to the clock?
     
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    Good eye. There is no alarm link drop lever, and the label is a replica. My guess is that the backs were pre-drilled, and the time and strike movements had the alarm dial as decoration only.
     
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    Thought I'd post a pic of this beast. It was a flea market mall find and now resides in our living room. According to the paper on the back it's a Waterbury Denmark. Soon it will be overhauled and restored. :)

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    Nice Drop Octagon, Lem. The case looks superb. :thumb: These guys can be great time keepers. I have an Ingraham drop Octagon from the early 1930's that has kept good time in the 8-9 years I've owned it. It needs work, however, it's now losing 1 1/2 minute a week.
     
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    Very nice Denmark! Looks like it might have painted black?
     
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    Do you mean from the factory, Lem?
    Mike, Tran shows your clock from a 1906 catalog picture. Cost $8.00 new.
     
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    Tran Duy Ly's book on Waterbury clocks (vol. 1, p. 315) shows the Denmark from the 1906 catalogue. Interestingly, the catalogue picture shows the winding arbors inside the center ring on the dial. The dial, however, is different, and perhaps a smaller center ring might account for the difference. Perhaps, also, a different movement. This clock could have been offered a few years either side of 1906. In any event, a nice looking black mantel.
     
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    Thanks Steve. She's a very good runner but cosmetically needs some work.

    Uncle Lem. It looks like someone went over it with rattlecan black. Any idea what the Denmark is supposed to look like?
     
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    Not specifically. Most of these had some brass or gold gilt work, especially on the feet and columns. I'd be willing to bet the scrollwork on the base was gilt topped as well.
     
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    The metal appears to be bronze except for the dial pan (the metal that is showing through the paint). I'm sure the scrollwork on the base was gilt topped. I'm just wondering what the case color was; I'm thinking a glossy black when it was made. Right now the case and most of the metal appears to be flat black from a rattle can. There are also 5 or 6 gouges in the top of the case, down to the wood, that have flat black in them as well. This is a good candidate for a complete strip down and restore.
     
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    Is this a waterbury case? What can you tell me about it? It has an 8 day movement with hour only strike. Came with a bell but I believe it originally had a gong. Picture is not cut off at top. Thanks in advance. xyzzytom_214217
     
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    JohnC - your photo is not showing up for some reason.
     
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    John, I believe this is the picture you tried to post. I was able to retrieve it. The clock is the Waterbury Kenmore and is shown in Tran Duy Ly's book on Waterbury clocks from the 1881 catalogue. It could also have been offered a few years either side of that year. View attachment 453418
     
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    Thank You very much! I probably posted too large of an image. I will scale them down in the future. I am an apprentice clock repairer/maker. I am in the process of refurbishing this movement. Main wheels teeth have excessive wear on side where the teeth meet the second wheel. One bent pinion and the center arbor hole is too large and very oblong. This movement gains almost 2 minutes an hour with the pendulum bob at its lowest position. I think my "sensei" is testing me. :)
     
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    Thanks again for the info. Bummer though. The top of this case was broken off. Found a pic at http://www.antiqueclocks1.com/woodsd4.htm#Pictures. The clock at that site sold for $400. The good news is that I received this clock as a gift for the work I have been doing as an apprentice and the person I received it from traded some repair work for it. The person he traded paid less than $80 as a winner of an eBay auction for the clock. Once I am done with the repair work I will proudly display it in our living room.
     
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    This makes me want to buy Tran Duy Ly's book. Is it possible to see an image of this clock from his book posted here? I am considering buying some walnut and seeing if I can restore the case.
     
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    Just got this Waterbury Iron Front - anyone know anything about it ? 197633.jpg
     
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    What appears to be the same iron front with a different scene and different decorations is found in the recently published vol. 2 of Tran's Waterbury book. The clock shown there is called the Washington and is shown from an 1867 catalogue. Whether your clock would have the same name, I don't know, but the date may be about the same. Tran does caution that many of the iron-front clocks shown can also be found with labels other than Waterbury, e.g., the American Clock Company, New York. In addition to selling their own clocks, the major clock companies had nothing against flogging their movements to the trade. (Please excuse the glare in the upper right of the picture. I often find it more convenient to photograph a page from Tran than struggle to scan it.)
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    Strangely, I also have a Kenmore I am working on, but it is an Ansonia case with a Waterbury steel plate movement. Strangely, the second clock with this movement in the past few weeks. The other one wasn't a marriage. 197839.jpg 197840.jpg 197841.jpg
     
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    Interesting. Ansonia did have a Kenmore ("K" Assortment - 1901 catalogue in Tran), but why it should have a Waterbury movement is unclear to me, though I suppose Ansonia might have felt the need to buy movements elsewhere for one reason or another. Were both of the clocks Ansonia Kenmores with Waterbury movements, or am I misunderstanding?
     
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    Nope, the other one with this movement was the Rochester you helped me with a page or so back. I think this one was a marriage, likely not the original movement. Just seems like a strange coincidence to have another Kenmore, with a Waterbury movement. You get used to having similar clocks come in close together when you are in the repair business.
     
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    Yeah,know what you mean. This month has been all brass and glass. Probably take another month to wear off all the polishing compound.
     
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    Thank You Very Much!!!!!
     
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    My newest find, i was told its a Waterbury Parlour No 39 clock.
    I like it very much, and my wife saw it first and wanted us to get it. 201714.jpg 201713.jpg 201712.jpg
     
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    Good wife!!! I like blue willow. Nice open brocot with jeweled pallets. Does it have a glass?
     
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    Yes Jay a good wife for sure. Yes it has a thick beveled glass looks original.
     
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    Purchased this past weekend, this two figure Victorian open escapement clock has a Waterbury movement. The click spring should have been replaced but it was "repaired", need better word here, see pics. The mounting bolts & figure mounting areas need repair / replacement. Original finish was cleaned with Murphy's oil soap and it came out quite nice. Someone had painted faux gold on all the decorations and figures and did some dial work. Wish they left the dial original. The figures are set temporarily to take the photo.

    I do not have Ly's Waterbury book. Would someone please see if this is in the book and provide details and if possible a pic of the catalog example.
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    This the No. 409. Tran's vol. 2 of his Waterbury clocks book shows it from the 1896 catalogue (p. 690, fig. 2637). It may have been offered a few years either side of that year. Vol. 2 shows 8 figure clocks, with mahogany base, mahogany clock case, and either one of two figures - all from the 1896 catalogue. The clocks were also sold without the figures and base (vol. 2, p. 852, figs. 3233 & 3234). Without the figures, yours was called No. 401; the other style, a round top clock, was No. 400. They are also shown from the 1896 catalogue. These are the only two styles shown for these mahogany figure clocks.

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