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  1. Sooth

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    Since Waterbury is the company I seem to have accumulated the most of, I thought I would start a thread for it. Hopefully no one has already done so.
     
  2. Sooth

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    Waterbury 30hr Steeple prior to restoration:

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    After:
    http://www.angelfire.com/me5/clockman/steeple1.html

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    Waterbury 8 Day Steeple:
    http://www.angelfire.com/me5/clockman/steeple2.html

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    Waterbury Ogee:
    http://www.angelfire.com/me5/clockman/ogee.html

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    Waterbury Beehive (still awaiting restoration):

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    Waterbury 30hr Doric:
    http://www.angelfire.com/me5/clockman/watdoric.html

    All for now. Details on almost all of these are found with the actual clock pages under "Specs".
     
  3. leeinv66

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    This is my Waterbury Cottage clock, It runs for 4 days, but I think the mainspring is to short due to previous repairs.

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  4. Sooth

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    4 Days?

    It looks like a 30 hour, though. Are you sure it might not have some overly strong springs in it? The winding holes close to the centre like that are usually only 30 hr clocks.

    Can you post a photo of the movement?
     
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    Heres the movement Sooth, you could be right, but the spring didn't seem overly long.

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    Cheers
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  6. Sooth

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    It *IS* a 30 hour. Mine can run a day and a half, but not 4...

    That movement is the same type that's in my "Doric", if you have a look.
     
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    Yep, looks the same to me as well Sooth. I have just wound the clock (3:25pm Sunday here, 16 turns of the key) and will take note of exactly when it stops. Will let you know the result.

    Cheers
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  8. Chris Radano

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    Here is one for fans of unrestored, 1870's clocks. It is a Waterbury Regulator #2, rosewood veneer case.
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    The case needs to be reglued with hide glue. I may buy special precision clamps for the bottom. The loose veneer will be reglued, the chipped areas I plan to fill in with shellac (since, in my opinion, there are not too many chips). Otherwise, looks pretty good. When I find time, for my "day job" has a nasty habit of interfering with fun stuff. Movement is 2 weight, time only, retaining power (the other weight when winding). Interesting open movement plates.

    Here is a question:
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    This backing is made of felt. What is a good way to clean this? Thanks.
     
  9. owen.or

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    #10 owen.or, Jul 9, 2006
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    Waterbury walnut pinwheel jeweler's regulator #7. Sweep second hand. Porcelain dial c.1891.
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    David "owen.or"
     
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    Nice pinwheel, Owen. I love gridiron pendulums. Is it a real one, or just for looks?

    Chris:
    I have two suggestions:

    Felt: Soft bristle brush, and some low tack tape (it's hard to suggest something, not knowing how good the flet is. Is it pretty good, or brittle?)

    Small veneer chips: Fill them with crack filler, let it dry, then with a damp cloth, rub the filler until it's flat and even with the wood. Then simply paint it to match with some acrylic paint, and shellac over it. It will look almost invisible if you get a good colour match.

    For the paints, I always use the same three colours: black, burgundy, and a dark brown. Try it on a small piece of cardboard until you get a close match. Once you get used to mixing the right colour, it's a piece of cake.
     
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    Heres my oak cased Waterbury Kitchen Clock.
     
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    #13 owen.or, Jul 9, 2006
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    Sooth,
    The catalogs I have refer to the mercury pedulum for these clocks as compensating. The Regulator #51 also offered something called a "Compensating Metal Pendulum". Perhaps someone else knows what that is. I do not. There is no reference in any catalog or price guide I have which refers to the gridiron pendulum for this model as compensating. I know there are a couple of other collectors on this board who own one of these clocks. Perhaps they could shed some light. Here is another Waterbury regulator. It is a #67 with two grain painted weights. Time only.

    http://mysite.verizon.net/~davidowen1/DSCN1576wa67.jpg

    David "owen.or"
     
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    #14 Chris Radano, Jul 9, 2006
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    The felt appears to be sturdy. Thanks. I will try a lint brush first. Was thinking dish soap, and water, then thought maybe not a good idea to get the felt wet. Also, it may turn clumpy when drying.

    That sounds good to fill in the missing chips. Working with wood filler is kind of awkward. What brand do you like?

    I've been meaning to try that faux wood-grained painting...I also have a Welch Verdi-style octagon wall clock. That clock was refinished by someone, who also stripped the wood grained paint. That clock is a dual spring, 8-day, time only movement, probably from the 1870's. Maybe I will post pictures of that one sometime.
     
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    Hello, Owen.

    Regarding the pendulum, if it just says "Compensating Metal Pendulum" then that would definitely be a gridiron pendulum. The way to check is just to look at it and see if it has 5 or 9 rods, and if they follow an up and down pattern going from:

    steel-brass-steel-brass-steel The rods are always matched in pairs, starting with a steel bar at the centre top, and on the outer bars, and ending in a steel bar going to the rod. And they are riveted or pinned in place to form an up and down pattern from the outside-in.

    I believe the ratios are something like 13 for steel and 18 for the brass. Since the brass expands more than the steel, the compensation works this way:

    +13 (steel down) -18 (brass up) +13 -18 +13 = 0 (or very close to zero)

    That's how they work. Gridiron pendulums were invented by John Harrison in the early 1720's. They work just as good as Mercury pendulums.

    Here's a page showing some plain ones:
    http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Thermodynamics...idiron_Pendulum.html

    It's always hard to tell if they are real, especially when they have a fancy lyre decoration over the bottom section like yours. There's also a lor of fake ones that are "just for show". All those do is have 9 rods riveted to two blocks, and they occasionally will have a few bars in the centre.

    Note: gridirons are not always in the "standard" pattern. There is one other configuration that works where the middle rod at the top is the "beginning" and the 3rd and 7th rods both go to the bob (end).
     
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    Here is my contribution to Waterbury clocks. :)Mike
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    Sooth, The "Compensating Metal Pendulum" was one of three options. The others were a compensating mercury pendulum and a gridiron pendulum. The cost for the compensating metal pendulum and gridiron were the same. Doesn't make sense to me that the two would be priced the same if one were compensating and both gridiron. Mine does have nine rods by the way. David "owen.or"
     
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    The "gridiron" version available might just have been with no decorations. Same idea, but with a different look?
     
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    Waterbury "Joliet" cal clock
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  20. Chris Radano

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    #21 Chris Radano, Jul 9, 2006
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    Here is an American compensating pendulum. From a George Jones "miniature Jeweler's" regulator. Movement with deadbeat escapement.
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    Actually, I'm not sure if the movements for these were imported.
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    Well, Chris, having seen that photo, I can say that without seeing the backside, that one is definitely NOT a compensated pendulum. If it were, it would be a terrible one.

    If it's in a basic grid, it would give a total of +23ppm/degree celcius, whereas a sigle brass rod is only +18/degree, and a plain steel rod is +13/degree, it would be basically twice as inaccurate as a plain steel rod.
     
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    #23 Chris Radano, Jul 9, 2006
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    Oh, well. Hey, we can't win them all. I suppose this one is an American imitation of a real one. Well, I am still going to keep it.
     
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    I do not have pic capabilities at the moment but have one Waterbury clock. It is a brass ship's clock with the 8 bells strike. It is my understanding, that of the companies that made this type clock---Waterbury probably made the fewest.
     
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    Here is my old Waterbury:

    http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SAAmA*gVoiWb*yB43IsB8WlW5JIEICdwvmL2*Aqqm7OovTcX97CyMEXYozzL47gHlhO1Z0tLXspTojokys2zZXS0v*92Q2gvL3i43!ZCQgBGAAAAynJ9Ag/Whole%20clock.jpg?dc=4675578418830392083
     
  25. marco5819

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    well here is my 2 cents worth.. A nice waterbury regulator #54 for your viewing enjoyment.. One question tho.. what type of beatscale should this clock have.. paper, or porcelan. and should it have he waterbury name on the scale? View attachment 3083
     
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    Waterbury "Eaton"

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    Waterbury "Viborg"

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    Waterbury Wanderer

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    It's a small 1-day alarm clock, no repeat function that I can discern. I really like its proportions and lines. It needs a bit of attention and I have located the spare parts.


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    #29 Chris, Jul 16, 2006
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    Here's my Waterbury china cased clock. The movement was damaged (broken fly shaft.) I got a new gear on a scrap movement from E-bay. The dial is cracked; I have another one coming from E-bay as well. I love E-bay!
     
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    Chris,

    I'd be interested in seeing your George Jones movement. I'm working on one with a one piece dial. The movement is numbered 13 and has a rough mill finish. The pendulum is mounted off the back of the movement. My gut feel is that the movement is domestic and not an import.

    The dial is retained by a soldered in tin pan, that the movement mounts on. The tin pan is soldered to the bezel...

    The pendulum is pretty much like yours . It is numbered 57.

    I'd be interested in a closeup of your top piece and the bottom bracket.

    I could use that incorrect weight from yours.

    Thanks, Ralph
     
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    #31 Chris Radano, Jul 19, 2006
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    Ralph, You probably mean the weight is incorrect for mine, or do you mean the weight is incorrect for yours? Or, both?
    That is the weight that came with the regulator. Don't know enough about these that I could identify as incorrect. What weight is correct? That one is heavy, comparable to a Gilbert #4 I have. The dial here is celluloid, with a few hairlines. Mvmt. has dead beat escape.

    I can take pictures in a couple days. I have been very busy. This was an acquisition over the winter. It is not running, and needs a service. I have it hanging now because the case has some of the most pleasant proportions of anything I have seen IMHO.
     
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    I'm not sure what weight goes on the GJ's clock, but I would guess it would look Viennese.

    Your's looks like an English regulator weight... and I can always use those.

    The one on this end will be going to the MW regional.

    Is your movement numbered? ...or the pendulum?

    I just put this one on the test stand least night around midnight. It stopped at 3:30 AM.....it looks like a problem in the motion works.

    Hoped to have it ready for the Regional this weekendin Indiana.

    Cheers, Ralph
     
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    My Waterbury parlor clock.

    http://flickr.com/photos/81039818@N00/196467394/in/photostream/
     
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    #34 Kevin W., Dec 9, 2006
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    I wanted to post this to a earlier posting this week of a Waterbury kitchen clock.
    However i could not find it.I think thisa modl is later 1890,, or even later.The top was broken off and this piece was added on, i am getting used to it.The movement is not in it as i removed it to overhaul it. :)
     
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    This is the only Waterbury I have and I'm a little embarrassed that I only know its location history. Its a 30day time only with a seconds hand. I keep it at a restored RR Station. This clock was originally in another RR Station which burn down many years ago, luckily the station was going through a restoration so all the contents were removed prior to the fire.
     
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    Waterbury #67 - 8 day weight driven time only movement

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    Waterbury ironfront - 30 hr time/strike movement

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    My only running Waterbury.
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    Here's my only waterbury.
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    "Cottage" shelf clock. Mov't patented 1874. 57674.jpg 57675.jpg
     
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    My two Waterburys. The walnut parlour clock chimes beautifully in my dining room, although it likes to switch back and forth occasionally and chime the hour at the half hour and vice versa. Seems when I wind it after it is almost wound down, it decides it wants to change, then when I would change the hands so it would be chiming correctly, it would play with me and switch back. I have given up, and now I just let it decide how it wants to chime. The Ogee 30 hour keeps great time in my office right next to my computer, but I don't wind the chime side because the original chime rod is too "clangy" for me if that is a word. thanks for looking! Denise 58125.jpg 58127.jpg
     
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    Here's some of my Waterbury wall models.
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    Denise thats a awesome Ogee clock, really nice.
    All nice clocks. I have a few more to post here.
     
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    This Waterbury "Galway" was my first antique clock, purchased when I was age 13. 58158.jpg
     
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    All nice clocks..
    Here is my Waterbury. 58170.jpg
     
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    Greetings, all,

    Researching my clock led me to this site, so I guess it's appropriate that my first post is a picture of my Waterbury Regulator #7.
    The clock was purchased by my Great Grandfather from Webb C. Ball Co. of Cleveland, OH in 1911. He had the cabinet made for the clock as it was wall mounted with no cabinet in the Ball Co. shop.


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    Hi, Rex, welcome to the message board. Nice regulator. Is it a pinwheel or anchor escapement?
     
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    To be honest, Harold, I don't know the difference. That's one of the reasons why I joined this forum! :D

    Here's a picture of the works, taken through the side glass of the cabinet.
    The second pic is one from the web that helped me identify the clock maker.

    The clock has not been tickin' for 20-odd years (it will run for about 10 minutes then stop), and I'm hoping that by digging through the forum I can come up with the info needed to get it back "on the Ball".


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    The escape wheel has pins; so, it's a pinwheel escapement. Looks like a nice jewelers regulator movement.
     
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    Rex, chances are good your clock just needs cleaning, oiling, and proper setup. It would be well worth having a professional help you with this one. Not a good project for a beginner.
     
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