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Wow... this thread is going to take a while to get through.

Here's mine... I'm hoping I can find one close to it to find out what the top should look like. It's lost to the ages, unfortunately.
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Hi!

According to the movement type, the clock was made in 1904-1908 period. The case is of Austrian style, not German, hence I think the clock was assembled at the Mauthe's Austrian factory. Unfortunately we don't have any catalogs of this factory available for public, so I've attached several pages from catalog of Johann Franke's firm from 1908. You can choose whatever top you like from these actually.

Best regards,
Oleg

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Oled, thanks so much for that.

So, here's the clock as I received it... obviously the top is wrong, but the coving around the top portion actually corresponds to some of your pictures. One piece of it was short and it was all sloppily PVA-glued on, which is why I suspected it was as unoriginal as the top. But judging from your pictures, it's likely I should restore the coving as well.

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I rather missed the mark on the bottom finial, but I spent so much effort on it, I'm going to leave that. :)

As to which one... I took a look at the columns on the sides of the doors and the bottom part as well as the shape of the door opening (frame around the glass). These are the candidates:


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(Note the coving at top matches my picture above.)

Interesting that only the first one has the R|A pendulum; and so many of the others have unmarked pendula as the second one here does. The numbers on mine are arabic; the picture roman. And the door opening bottom is curved on mine; the picture is flat.
Alas, I hate the top in the picture and it would be nearly impossible to reproduce.

It does support a possible reason for its demise: if it were dropped on its head, it would never have survived. The glass was replaced, too (glazed in with brad nails instead of glazing points as the sides are). And one back corner of the coving support (the part to which the coving is attached) was replaced with a piece that's too short. So these clues all offer a lot of tantalizing theories.

But I think the first picture (Nr 5 in the catalog) is the winner, despite the minor differences.

I'm going to cogitate on whether to attempt a reproduction of the top or just go with one of the others that's easier and more agreeable.
 

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Beautiful clock!! We need to see the back of the movement to see the trademark.
 

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Thanks! I took the movement out today, but I couldn't find anything on it but a partial number. It has a single hammer and 1 pipe. It uses the wheel and fork for the strike. Is there another way to date the movement? I can add a picture of the movement tomorrow.
 

new2clocks

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Thanks! I took the movement out today, but I couldn't find anything on it but a partial number. It has a single hammer and 1 pipe. It uses the wheel and fork for the strike. Is there another way to date the movement? I can add a picture of the movement tomorrow.
The "Mauthe" that is on the dial is unlike any Mauthe trademark that I have seen. It almost looks like it was applied after the dial left the factory.

This is one reason why a clear picture of the backplate is necessary to date the clock and confirm that the clock is from Mauthe.

Regards.
 

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I ran out to my car and took pictures of the movement. Looks like a lot of other movements from the 1800's, so could be any brand I guess. Hopefully not a fake.

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new2clocks

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I ran out to my car and took pictures of the movement. Looks like a lot of other movements from the 1800's, so could be any brand I guess. Hopefully not a fake.

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I can not claim that I have seen every Mauthe movement, but I do not recall Mauthe producing "American style" movements, except for use in their "Joker" alarm clocks. I seriously doubt a Joker alarm movement could power a tall case clock.

I am curious as to what others think.

Regards.
 

Royce

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I don't recall any Mauthe movements with non-barreled open mainsprings except for the Joker movement. Looking at the plate cut outs it looks very very similar to a Gilbert 8 day T&S shelf clock movement. (ref: Parker Clock Repair website)
 

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Looking at the plate cut outs it looks very very similar to a Gilbert 8 day T&S shelf clock movement.
I believe that TimeDoctor's movement is indeed a Gilbert. See the one below that comes from the Gilbert Capitol No. 44, essentially the same except for the verge.

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The so-called half deadbeat verge on TimeDoctor's movement makes me think of Gilbert movements used in Ithaca tall-case clocks. Compare the movements in the following threads;

https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/gilbert-or-ithaca-gf-clock.72305

Ithaca Cherry Grandfather Clock, dated 1899...
 

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I showed the movement to someone else today and they also said it looked like a Gilbert. We have it running right now and it holds time well. It is definitely a tall case movement as it requires the long pendulum.

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I showed the movement to someone else today and they also said it looked like a Gilbert. We have it running right now and it holds time well. It is definitely a tall case movement as it requires the long pendulum.

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Perhaps someone with the Gilbert books by Tran could search to see if Gilbert offered a tall case clock like your clock.

You could also peruse our thread dedicated to Gilbert clocks:

Gilbert Clocks

As I mentioned, the "Mauthe" on your dial does not look authentic and appears to have been written on the dial for reasons unknown.

Regards.
 

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Is anyone able to identify the model and approximate year my clock was made? I inherited it from my great aunt and I absolutely love it.

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If you can provide a photo of the back of the movement that shows the trademark, it is possible that some dating info can be provided.
 

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If you can provide a photo of the back of the movement that shows the trademark, it is possible that some dating info can be provided.
Hi Royce, I’ve looked everywhere but there’s no trademark in the back. The logo in the front is the only indication. Is it possible that Mauthe didn’t place a trademark on the back of some clocks?
 

new2clocks

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Is it possible that Mauthe didn’t place a trademark on the back of some clocks?
Welcome to the forum.

Mauthe, like most major German clockmakers, produced unmarked movements. Most of the unmarked movements were sold to casemakers, wholesalers and the like.

Regards.
 

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Hello all,

I've been always fascinated by pendulum wall clocks and finally I got the one. Unfortunately I don't know exact history of the clock.
I've been told it's more then 100 years old. Trying to identify its I found this forum. I've seen FMS trademarks timeline.

As I understand signature on the dial was registered in Germany in 1925 and used until the II WW. I managed to find the same model at ebay with the description. It was made early 1900''. I'm a little confused here. I suppose it can be 1920/30s. Could you help me to date it somehow?

I don't know if it's helpful but there is text saying "antwerpen 081502" maybe it's catalogue number.

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new2clocks

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Welcome to the forum.

I managed to find the same model at ebay with the description. It was made early 1900''. I'm a little confused here.
This is not surprising. Most sellers date their clocks 25 to 30 years older than the real age of the clock.

As I understand signature on the dial was registered in Germany in 1925 and used until the II WW.
The trademark shown on the dial was registered in 1925 according to mikrolisk. Based on the most up-tp-date information available today, the trademark was used up until WWII.

To best answer your question, please provide clear pictures of the back of the movement and also the gong block.

Regards.
 

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First and foremost, welcome to the forum. You are correct that based on the research and timeline provided by Oled, your clock trademark is #10 which puts it in the period between 1926 - 1939. There is a lot of latitude in the descriptions provided by individuals selling on ebay.
Royce

Edit: I see new2clocks is quicker than I.
 

new2clocks

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your clock trademark is #10
I think it is number 11. Notice how the tips of the wings face upwards.

We must keep in mind that Oled's wonderful work is fluid, not static. It is not logical that a trademark registered in 1925 was not used for 14 years. I believe that a date range of 1925 to WWII is reasonable.

We must also be aware that various trademarks overlapped each other. Hence, my request for the OP to provide pictures of the movement and gong block.

Regards.
 

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I think it is number 11. Notice how the tips of the wings face upwards.

We must keep in mind that Oled's wonderful work is fluid, not static. It is not logical that a trademark registered in 1925 was not used for 14 years. I believe that a date range of 1925 to WWII is reasonable.

We must also be aware that various trademarks overlapped each other. Hence, my request for the OP to provide pictures of the movement and gong block.

Regards.
Yes, I also have difficulty to select between 10 and 11 but I rather go for 10. A little different lower part of wings ;)
I need to correct a little bit bell so maybe I will have an opportunity to shoot back of movement.
 

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I think it is number 11. Notice how the tips of the wings face upwards.

We must keep in mind that Oled's wonderful work is fluid, not static. It is not logical that a trademark registered in 1925 was not used for 14 years. I believe that a date range of 1925 to WWII is reasonable.

We must also be aware that various trademarks overlapped each other. Hence, my request for the OP to provide pictures of the movement and gong block.

Regards.
In retrospect, I believe you are correct on it being #11. I also agree with the rest of your comments!!
 

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Hello all, I have read through this thread and tried to do this from the information you have provided but I don't see a clock quite like mine.

Could you help me identify it's age and validate that it all seems to fit into the correct year. I am suspect because it appears this clock has had significant damage and has been repaired a number of times. I redid the wood case and got the movement to function properly with a little TLC. I believe it is a Horse Wall Clock per the picture attached. But that is not my clock, but one that looks very similar.

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Beltranc

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Hello all, I have read through this thread and tried to do this from the information you have provided but I don't see a clock quite like mine.

Could you help me identify it's age and validate that it all seems to fit into the correct year. I am suspect because it appears this clock has had significant damage and has been repaired a number of times. I redid the wood case and got the movement to function properly with a little TLC. I believe it is a Horse Wall Clock per the picture attached. But that is not my clock, but one that looks very similar.

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Beltranc

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that is how it looks now. I believe it needs a horse for the top. It has one that was there but it is plastic. I don't believe it is original. :)
 

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Hello all, I have read through this thread and tried to do this from the information you have provided but I don't see a clock quite like mine.

Could you help me identify it's age and validate that it all seems to fit into the correct year. I am suspect because it appears this clock has had significant damage and has been repaired a number of times. I redid the wood case and got the movement to function properly with a little TLC. I believe it is a Horse Wall Clock per the picture attached. But that is not my clock, but one that looks very similar.

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Welcome to the forum.

The Mauthe trademark on the backplate of the movement was thought to be used after WWII, but continuing research seems to indicate that it was in existence before WWII. Unfortunately, we do not know when it was registered, so we can not provide you with a "no earlier than" date of production.

Your clock case appears to be of 1900 to WWI vintage. I can not decipher if your movement is original to the case.

I do not believe the hands are original.


it is plastic. I don't believe it is original.
I agree. There should be no plastic.

There is a medallion of some sort where the beat scale normally resides. Can you post a clear picture of that "medallion"?

Regards.
 

Beltranc

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This medallion? This seems to be cast. It does not seem to be carved. It was an off color and stained over to look like the wood. I painted it a brass color to match the movement.

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I agree with your assessment. The hands don't line up with the pictures I have seen of the catalogs. However, they do fit well and they are using brass pins to hold many things in place. Not screw nuts like other clocks post WWII. My Great Grandmother was married in Oct of 1899 in Parish Przerośl Poland/Russia. Depending on the date and source you find. They came to the US in 1905. So the case looks like it fits the era. But not necessarily all of the components of the movement.
 
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Beltranc

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This is on the top part of the decorative woodwork (whatever that is called) I am not sure this is original but there seems to be a rectangular item missing from this area. It was painted over and I discovered it while refinishing and repairing this. Maybe it tells you something?

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Unfortunately, I can't add anything that hasn't been said. I simply wanted to tell you that I think you did a great job of the case restoration.
Enjoy this beautiful clock!!
 

Beltranc

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I got inspired by 'The Repair Shop' series they have on Netflix. :D If you haven't seen it. Steve is quite the wizard Horologist and all things mechanical. Will was the inspiration on the woodworking. :)
 
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I just picked up a grandfather/long case clock. I am not too concerned about exact dates, since I am not planning on selling or anything soon, but it looks like it would be a fun restoration project. Above all, I want to do no harm to it because it seems to have lots of personality. It has some damage, but not too bad for an old clock. From what I can tell from early posts, I am guessing it is from the 1920's. Here are a few pics, but I have plenty more.

Please make plenty of suggestions of what NOT to do when trying to restore this.

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I am guessing it is from the 1920's.
I agree.

The Klosterglockengong was trade named in 1909 and the adler (eagle) trademark on your movement was used in the early 1920s, according to the most recent Mauthe trademark dating schedule provided by our Eastern European colleagues.

it looks like it would be a fun restoration project.
What are you planning to do?

Regards.
 

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What are you planning to do?
Well, I would love to get it working again, and clean up the dial and hands. The work on the case and maybe get it looking something like I think it looked originally. I am kind of torn between wanting to make the movement bright and shiny, and leaving it old-looking but functional.
 
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Below are pictures of my recently purchases I believe to be Mauthe clocks. Both were purchased as unknown Victorians without toppers. The larger of the two was identified by matching the trademark by using info provided here (pg 1, Oled). The second is shown with a topper is a marriage, to this case. I was able to identify the movement as a Mauthe P42. The movements in both the clocks appear original to the cases. I am basing them both being Mauthe based on the movements.

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Hello all, I have read through this thread and tried to do this from the information you have provided but I don't see a clock quite like mine.

Could you help me identify it's age and validate that it all seems to fit into the correct year. I am suspect because it appears this clock has had significant damage and has been repaired a number of times. I redid the wood case and got the movement to function properly with a little TLC. I believe it is a Horse Wall Clock per the picture attached. But that is not my clock, but one that looks very similar.

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Hi!

Your Mauthe clock has movement made in the second half of 1920-s or first half of 1930-s. The case that is very similar to yours appeared in 1924 Mauthe catalog under "Renaissance regulators", mod. 281. I think that the horse you have is original.

Best regards,
Oleg

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This is what's known as a box regulator. The case style is regionally known as 'Bauhaus' but terminology varies from one country to another.
Going by the Movement W500 patterning, this should be from the early 1950's. Older pre-war Mauthes from the 1930's had the chime/strike
trains reversed. There is no comprehensive database of Mauthe clocks.
 
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Here’s a photo of my Mauthe wall mounted clock. This is such an excellent forum! I love seeing everyone’s photos

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Here's my one and only. Took me years to identify. Has the same gong mount as Goshop's with movement support arms, which is marked "Adler". Glass on 3 sides. I bought this in the late 1970's for my parents from a clock shop in downtown Atlanta. I want to dis-like this clock, but it simply keeps on ticking and doing a great job !

 

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Hello all, Pls see my Mauthe posted below. It is a simple mantel clock that I picked up in Shanghai in 2001. The case was extremely dirty, as well as the workings. Years before someone marred the face plate. So only recently I began an epic clean up of the case, and face plate. To my surprise I found the eagle logo and Mauthe name hidden under a thick coat of some kind of enamel (:???:). This was puzzling until I read another post about Mauthe clocks which had been defaced in an alleged effort to cover the eagle due to its strong resemblance of the German Nazi Party eagle. My original estimate was a vintage clock c. 1945-1955. However, I am thinking it may be older. Thoughts? Thanks in advance,

Mike L.

PS The Chinese inscription reads "German Made."

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