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  1. Dave T

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    Another Mauthe. This is the second one in the past month. And I've discovered that they both have the same movement, but one with a countwheel and the other with rack and strike. Wonder now what are the pros and cons of countwheel vs. rackstrike, and why would they manufacture both styles?
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    They are both rated at 14 days? I'm going to wind them both on the same day and see how long they do run.
    Here's the latest one.
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    Very nice. Does yours have a Divina gong?

    Ron
     
  3. Dave T

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    No, it has no name on it. Actually that's why I bought this one, just wanted to see what it had in it! (Before I cleaned it.) The cast iron seatboard and stamped metal base for the gong are all one unit.
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    The other one with the same movement, rack strike has a viola gong. Here's before I cleaned it up. And they both sound almost the same. Nice deep resonant strike, but somewhat loud.
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  4. James Wynn

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    I am trying to identify the clockworks for my Grandfather Clock. Thirty years ago while assigned to Nurnburg, Germany a friend gave me this clock. It stopped working some years ago. i want to identify the works and order a replacement. It played westminster chime and has three weights. Another company was not sure but stated that it may be a MAUTHE. I looked up your site up online and would be very appreciative for any assistance that you can provide.

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  5. chronologiker

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    This is not a Mauthe but a "HAWINA" movement. Made about 1925.
    HAWINA means: Hans Winterhalder, Neustadt.
    Hans Winterhalder was a descendant of the wellknown Winterhalder familiy in Neustadt.

    Best regards!

    Chronologiker
     
  6. James Wynn

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    Thank You for your prompt reply. The Initials HWN now make sense. I am familiar with Neustadt...visited there several times.
     
  7. new2clocks

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    James, welcome to the board.

    The clock appears to have been made by Hawina.

    Here is a recent thread on Hawina.

    The wife found a grandfather clock

    There is no replacement Hawina movement available, unless you come across one on e-bay or similar venue.

    Your best bet would be to have the movement serviced.

    By its look, I would date it to the mid to late 1920's.

    Regards.
     
  8. peanuts

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    I've just acquired my first Mauthe, at a household clearance auction. Sadly, the face has been replaced and the bezel was creased in the process, but even so I think it's going to make a nice clock when I have sorted out the broken crutch and suspension spring.

    I'm not altogether confident at dating it – the eagle looks slightly different from the ones in the excellent reference image earlier in this thread – but I'm thinking 1890's. Does that sound right?

    Also - I've never come across the device shown behind the chime rods in the last picture. It looks as though it's meant to be used to stop the rods from rattling against each other when the clock is transported but I don't quite see how. Can anyone enlighten me, please?

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  9. Dave T

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    I can't answer any questions, but I like the clock. Would be good to hear it when you get it set up.
     
  10. Tatyana

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    Simon, nice clock, congratulations!

    I think this clock was made in the 1910s.
    Very rare for Mauthe combination of 2 gongs.

    BR, Tatyana
     
  11. Tatyana

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    I found pics of similar clock, but a little younger.

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    Please show your movement.
     
  12. peanuts

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    There are quite a few similarities with mine, Tatyana – thanks for sharing.

    One of your pictures shows the same device under the four chime rods - I'm still wondering what that device is for.

    Simon
     
  13. claussclocks

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    Here are two of my Mauthe clocks. One is probably from the latter days of the company.

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  14. Isaac

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    Those are simply chime rod holders for shipping purposes. If you set both of the jaws shut on the rods, it will prevent them from violently shaking about during shipping. Pretty handy to have if you’re moving the clock anywhere, so that you don’t have to mess with tape and bubble wrap.

    The only other German makers that utilized a similar setup that I know of would be primarily Junghans. PHS also made some westminster movements that utilized chime rods and a large coiled gong for the strike. Junghans was usually the big player in this field, with their rare “Gloria Gongs” mounted in a large hall clock and their “Kaiser Gong” mounted near the bottom. Played westminster on a total of 16 rods (4 rods for each note). I have a nice example of a Junghans bracket clock that utilizes their rohr gong for the westminster and a large coiled gong for the hour strike. Sounds just like a grandfather clock, but in a small case size.

    Would love if you’d post a video of the chimes when you get a chance. I bet the sound is wonderful!
     
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    Thanks for the clarification - I thought that may be what they were for but because they don't rotate freely at the moment I didn't want to force them. I'll have to soak them in penetrating oil and see if I can free them up.

    Yes, I'll post video when done - I haven't heard it myself yet as it was a non-runner when I bought it.

    Regards
    Simon
     
  16. igoanatol

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    I have Art Deco from Mauthe

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    An interesting aspect of your Mauthe clock is the eagle (adler) trademark on the dial.

    Mauthe did not use the eagle trademark on their dials very often. After WW II, Mauthe used a trademark with Mauthe in script, which does show on their dials much more frequently.

    Regards.
     
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    Thanks)
    I think my clock circa 1920, or not?
    Brgds.
     
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    Based on the Mauthe trademark dating schedule provided by Oled, a member of this board, your trademark was used between 1921 and 1924.

    Regards.
     
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    Many thanks.
    Brgds.
     
  21. Klorslug

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    Here's some pics of my Mauthe that I bought from my friend at work.
    It's running very well after a quick cleaning and some clock oil.
    I'm guessing mid 40's early 50's judging by the Mauthe emblem?
    There's no trademark on the movement.
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    Hi John!

    I have a very similar clock that I inherited a few years ago, and just 'refound' whilst during a recent move. I'll be posting it shortly..
     
  24. peanuts

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    As promised, here is video with audio of the noontime chime and strike. The first quarter coincided with a mantle clock just finishing it's strike sequence but hopefully that doesn't spoil the pleasure too much:


    Does anyone think the strike sequence is too slow? I didn't replace the mainspring on the strike side, but I'm wondering if I should have. If it's still striking after a week then I'll leave it.

    Simon
     
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  25. Royce

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    Antique Clock - Mauthe - Gong.jpg Antique Clock - Mauthe.jpg Antique Mauthe Clock - 2.jpg Antique Mauthe Clock.jpg Mauthe Movement-2.jpg I have recently obtained a Mauthe clock through inheritance. This clock has not been run for a minimum of 18 years and did not work upon receipt. I read your entire forum on Mauthe clocks and thank everyone for the knowledge shared. Although I am an amateur, I went ahead and disassembled the movement; ultrasonically cleaned all the parts, reassembled, oiled the pivots and greased the mainsprings. It now is running very well. I, like a number of people, would like any info available on the approximate dating of this clock. I have attached photos of this clock, movement and gong. From my reading, it appears to be very similar to #6 on Oled's FMS trademark Index except for 2 differences: 1) No D.R.P No. 55006 is stamped on the movement. 2) The Eagle's head is facing Left; not Right. Additionally, there is a symbol that may be a "B" under the trademark near the pivot. Any assistance would be most appreciated.
     
  26. new2clocks

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    Hello, Royce, and welcome to the board.

    DRP is a form of German patent and is not connected with the trademark.

    The eagle's head facing left is very interesting, as I have not seen this trademark before your posting. Others may be able to better comment on this.

    In addition to the disparity in the way the eagle faces, the other parts of the trademark concerns me some. The lettering - F M S - does not appear similar to the lettering used in other Mauthe trademarks. The circle and the other parts of the TM appear to have been done very poorly. For a large German clock making company like Mauthe, the "dots do not connect".

    Finally, I have no answer for the "B".

    Hopefully, others will have more information than I have, but something just does not seem right with the TM.

    Regards.
     
  27. Dave T

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    Very nice Mauthe example. Can't add anything to the comments regarding the trademark differences. But it definitely looks original and authentic to me.
     
  28. Royce

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    Thanks! Possibly it is not an authentic Mauthe although I did note that the Eagle's head pointing left has been reported previously by others but doesn't appear on Oled's Trademark Index. In an earlier version of Oled's Trademark index he had this Trademark listed as #5 without the D.R.P number but subsequently revised it based on his research and added the Number and made it #6 on his list. I appreciate your response!!
     
  29. Royce

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    Thanks Dave T!!
     
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    Royce,

    Before any definitive opinion is made about your movement, I would wait until some of our European colleagues (Tatyana, tarant and JTD come to mind) have a chance to check their data bases.

    I checked the Mikrolisk web site of clock and watch trademarks and could not find the "reverse eagle" TM. I also checked the web site of Charles Davis, which specializes in Japanese logos, but could find nothing. (I checked to see if an Asian distributor received permission to use the TM or modified TM of the non-Asian manufacturer.)

    There are other resources to be checked, such as the Lexicon, by H-H Schmid. Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of that wonderful publication and it is in German. Others do have access to the book.

    Another issue with your movement, in my opinion, is it does not look German in its design. It appears to be American or Asian. However, many German companies made Amerikanischen style movements for export to the U.S. and the U.K., and I believe that Mauthe made such movements. As a result, I focused on the TM.

    Hopefully, we will receive more opinions on your movement.

    Regards.
     
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  32. Royce

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    Oleg, sorry to bother you but I ran across your post, recognizing that it was a long time ago, but wondered if you were successful in obtaining any dating information based on the unique Mauthe Trademark shown in your attached picture. The trademark on my movement is also "a bit hairy" and the quality of the Circle, dividing lines and the initials look extremely similar to what you have shown (not of the quality normally seen for Mauthe movements which has been pointed out to me by other experts on this forum). It appears to me from the photo of your Trademark, although it is difficult to see, that the eagle's head is pointing to the left, which is what the trademark on my movement shows. The only difference that I note is that mine does contain the "S". Attached is a copy of the Trademark on my movement.

    Any information you may have would be most appreciated.

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  33. lvan811

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    Ivan,

    You have an interesting clock, from a dating perspective, in that the movement has a trademark that one of our contributors - Oled - believes was in use beginning in 1946 and after (i.e., post WW II), but also has "Made in Wurttemberg" on the dial.

    Wurttemberg did not exist as such post WW II. It was unified with Baden as a regional state within Germany after WW II and was known as Baden-Wurttemberg. See Post 3 in the thread, below.

    information about a Wurttemberg clock

    There have been other Mauthe movements with the TM on your movement that have been identified by another contributor - Tatyana - as having been manufactured in the 1920's or 1930's. See Post 5 in the thread below:

    Mauthe movement dating

    Finally, I can not find the TM in a source of clock trademarks that would indicate when the TM of your movement was registered.

    What does this all mean? IMO, your clock was manufactured in the 1920's (possibly the 1930's). It looks like a clock that was produced between the wars to these eyes.

    Regards.
     
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  35. Tatyana

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    I will add pictures of two movements similar to yours.

    The stamp on Oleg's movement looks like "hand made".

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    BR, Tatyana
     
  36. Royce

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    Thanks Tatyana!! I appreciate your reply. Any thoughts on when this may have been manufactured? Based on Oleg's Trademark Index, I'm guessing Circa 1910.
     
  37. Tatyana

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    Royce, I believe this stamp was used for a very short time in 1900.
    Later came a beautiful clear stamp with the eagle.

    BR, Tatyana
     
  38. Royce

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    Thanks Tatyana!!
     
  39. Oled

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    Hello all!

    Agree with Tatyana. This kind of movement was the first type of "Amerikaner"-movements Mauthe used - cheaper mass-production movements with cut plates. They called them "Adlerwerke". And seems like they were introduced somewhere around 1898-1900, followed by second model in 1902.

    Best regards,
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    Thanks Qleg!
     
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    New acquisition in terrible shape... any idea when this Mauthe grandfather clock was made?

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    Other pics of case in new acquisition post...
     
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    Here is my Mauthe , circa 1922 by the trademark. Regards, Bob clock PL6116.jpg weights.jpg whole lock from living room.jpg

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    Sorry, having newbie trouble posting pictures
     
  46. Royce

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    Nice Clock!!
     
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    Thanks! It sets off our entryway and gives us the correct time as we go out the door. A bonus if it happens to be chiming.
     
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    Here’s my “new” Mauthe Clock. Interesting bit: no logo mark on the movement, just a number stamped on back plate: 791623. The back of the case door has the Mauthe art deco eagle logo featuring a clock face.

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