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Could anyone direct me to a resource to identify what year this may have been made? Trying to find more information about how to care for it, and value, to get insurance to move it. thank you
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Hello All, I volunteer in a UK charity Shop, Cuckoo's Nest in West Yorkshire (like a US Thrift shop) and we were recently given the following mantle(?) clock. We'd very much like to know more about it as it has a LFS movement, but that is inside a Beringer of Belfast clock. How did this come about and is it usual practice? The clock has a lovely chime that is different on every 15 minutes. It does have a tendency to just stop of its own accord if moved but a gentle push on the pendulum will usually get it going again - would a good professional clean cure this? It does have the number 5003 stamped on the LFS movement with a 5 just under that. The wooden back door of the clock has F164 & just below, B followed by H368. Below that is what appears to be B9948.

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it has a LFS movement, but that is inside a Beringer of Belfast clock. How did this come about and is it usual practice? 73463[/ATTACH]
Welcome to the forum.

Lorenz Furtwängler Söhne ("LFS") were a German movement maker. Beringer of Belfast were most likely the retailer of the clock. This was a common practice for retailers to inscribe their names on the dial of the clock.

So you have an LFS clock retailed by Beringer of Belfast.

Regards.
 
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You are in possession of a very nice, early 1900s (my best guess) clock that, based on your description, probably plays Westminster chimes on the quarter hour.

The clock is most likely in need of basic service (oil, cleaning, bushings, etc.) that can be performed by a competent repair person.

Since your organization is charitable in nature, as opposed to being a profit making organization, it might not be economically feasible to expend funds to bring the clock to perfect working order and to pass that cost onto the purchase price of the clock. If my assumption is correct, you could sell as is with the disclosure that a basic servicing of the clock will be needed. Or, perhaps, a nearby clock repair person would be willing to perform the service pro bono for your organization.

HTH

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Tatyana and new2clocks, thanks for your wonderful time and advice, especially about the cleaning of it. It does look so similar to the 539. I do love looking at and researching some of the unusual and beautiful historical donations we receive.
 

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Tatyana and new2clocks, thanks for your wonderful time and advice, especially about the cleaning of it. It does look so similar to the 539. I do love looking at and researching some of the unusual and beautiful historical donations we receive.
To avoid confusion, when I mentioned cleaning, I was referring to the movement - not the case or dial.

I would do nothing more to the case and dial than just a light dusting.

HTH

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So happy I found this thread.
This clock is new to me.
The only markings I can find is the LFS logo and what I think is a serial number (1007)
And info would be appreciated.

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So happy I found this thread.
This clock is new to me.
The only markings I can find is the LFS logo and what I think is a serial number (1007)
And info would be appreciated.

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The following is a response to a question regarding LFS clocks that was provided by a member, JTD (it was given today, as a matter of fact:)). It was provided in a different thread.

Your clock is marked for the company Lorenz Furtwängler Söhne, in Furtwangen, Germany. The company was in business from 1836 to1932. The clocks were of good quality and they made their own cases, which many other manufacturers did not.

Your clock is time, strike and chime. It is generally referred to as a bracket clock. it has a "rack and snail" striking mechanism. The case appears to be made of walnut.

Is there a specific question about the clock that you would like answered?

It is a beautiful clock from a very good German maker.

Regards.
 
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I appreciate the information, I was wondering if you knew the appropriate date of manufacture.
I have done a bunch of “Googling” and I can’t find another LFS bracket clock like this one.
Does anyone have a catalog reference model ?
 

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I appreciate the information, I was wondering if you knew the appropriate date of manufacture.
I have done a bunch of “Googling” and I can’t find another LFS bracket clock like this one.
Does anyone have a catalog reference model ?
Hello Joedy860,
the earliest document showing such type of clock from LFS that I have is their Musterbuch published in 189x. But cases of that (or similar) type remained in their manufacturing line until the end of their history. Due to some details I guess your clock was manufactured in the end of XIX century.
Here is the front page of their Musterbuch and the page with similar looking case.

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May I introduce what might be the smallest Lorenz Furtwängler and Son clock on the LFS thread and my third clock acquisition? As a new clock collector, I am always pleased to learn more from our esteemed and knowledgeable NAWC members and look forward to your observations. Thank you.

Sincerely yours,
Howard

From the seller:
"Superb Antique German Furtwangler LFS Mantle Shelf Table Clock - Rare Maple Case. The clock dial is in excellent condition, framed with round beveled glass door with accompanying second beveled glass pane. The case is made of maple which is exceptionally rare for a German clock. This is movement is solid brass that strikes on the 1/2 and full hour on a coiled chime spring bracket mounted in the base of the clock. The movement is signed with the Furtwangler trademark LFS inside an escapement gear. The movement is very clean and is running and chiming on the 1/2 and full hour. The dimensions are: ~Length: 7”W x 11”Height x Depth: 5.5”."
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Beautiful clock,
I don’t know much about the LFS clocks though
Thank you very much. I did find the following information.




"LFS is a Lorenz Furtwängler and Son registered trademarke.
The logo was first registered as a trade maker in 09/21/1881
and again in 01/22/1895.

The Furtwängler and Son clock factory or Uhrenfabrik (German
for clock factory, direct english translation is hour maker)
was located in Furtwangen, Germany, and founded in 1836.
Sons of Theophil, Hector, Oskar and Aldof all clockmakers
joined the father's enterpise in 1868 and the company changed
to Uhrenfabrik L. Furtwängler & Sohne. Because they were
makers of clocks which posessed top precision in workmanship,
movements and cases they became world famous. In 1900
ownership changed hands to A. G. Stock holder Corporation.

Beginning with World War I the clockmaking was by law
drastically curtailed, the company did participate in the
production within the defense industry. After 1918, the
tough competition of mass produced clocks and less expensive
movements and clocks case forced them out of business and all
operations stopped in 1929.

The logo will give you the date between 1881 and 1925 for
production of that movement, the logo was changed in 1925 to
just read FURTWANGLER. The size of the escapewheel on the
logo changed in 1885 from smaller then a dime to about the
size of a dime. This might help with dating it further. "

Tim Sweet
 

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My father purchased this clock around 1970 in Germany. I know it used to run when he had it in Germany, but I honestly don’t know if it ever ran again. I know that the pendulum and bob DO NOT belong to this clock which is probably why I can’t get it to run.

I have two questions: 1) what is the correct length and weight of the pendulum and bob for this clock, and 2) any ideas on where I might find a replacement.

LFS clock #583
I have the wooden crown and some finials which are not shown in the photo

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Hello Cutmyself. Your clock was manufactured in the first decade of the last century. 126 caliber movement with count wheel was one of the most widely produced by LFS these years. The crown seems not to be fully original (although I may be too suspicious) and it is missing upper finial.
Anyway very nice clock, thanks for sharing. Just a small request: could you please look at the back wall of the clock case from outside and see if there are any stamps there (like e.g. 730 and 126)?

Here is an example of similar looking clock (also with upside-down orientation of the gong): 532849-b6b5b7ecbeb239928c1542c9ab891ee2.jpg 532850-0b7e95d5d50038e9c235b9eb6c9f2534.jpg 532848-657e161fa43db85a69df9d597571b60e.jpg

And another instance of Freeswinger clock almost like yours:
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Best,
 

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Hello Cutmyself. Your clock was manufactured in the first decade of the last century. 126 caliber movement with count wheel was one of the most widely produced by LFS these years. The crown seems not to be fully original (although I may be too suspicious) and it is missing upper finial.
Anyway very nice clock, thanks for sharing. Just a small request: could you please look at the back wall of the clock case from outside and see if there are any stamps there (like e.g. 730 and 126)?

Here is an example of similar looking clock (also with upside-down orientation of the gong): View attachment 615900 View attachment 615901 View attachment 615902

And another instance of Freeswinger clock almost like yours:
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Best,
Thank you so much for the information. I am not sure if the top has been altered, it all looks like the same vintage work, but I am no expert to say the least. I am missing the very top, do you know if there would be anywhere I might be able to find a replacement or would that have to be made by a woodworker. I looked at the back and it has the numbers you mentioned as well as the company initials. Thanks again it is really nice to know some of the history, I love the clock and it still runs. It is usually a little fast but no big deal. Tom
Also are the numbers on the back of the movement the serial number?
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Also are the numbers on the back of the movement the serial number?
Yes. This is the serial number of the movement. LFS did not use consecutive numbering for all types of their movements (they probably tried to do that during their last years). Regarding numbers on the back of the case: 730 stands for catalog number of the case. Unfortunately, I still was not able to find catalogs of that time period. 126 is caliber number of the movement.
Nick
 

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can someone help me date this one? I got it a week ago and overhauled the movement, fixed all the dented brass, minor refinish and fixed a couple of small issues with the case. Case has the LFS cog branded on the back of the clock cabinet.
Hi, Oldnautique!

Nice clock! I have this model in my database. Dated 1907.

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I have a similar clock GB 1907 year.

BR, Tatyana
 

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This LFS has been in the family for at least 50 years. I just had it serviced, and it runs beautifully. The topper has been missing for as long as I can remember, and it looks naked without one. What would have on top originally? A basic finial? Eagle? Horse? There is a single hole drilled in the topper for a peg.

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Welcome to the forum.

What would have on top originally? A basic finial? Eagle? Horse?
The answer to your question could be any of the above. :)

Without an LFS catalog, it is difficult to say.

Personally, I think it looks good as is.

Regards.
 
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