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  1. LenzkirchFan

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    Congratulations Oled. You have two very early Lenzkirch clock movements. I would love to own the one with SN 17279!

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    Hi All!


    I'm glad to introduce my last incoming. Its the next generation of my Mini-regulator #2 with S/N 213587 and first Lenzkirch logo on back plate.
     

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    Awesome model 2 Pyroman! You have a good one there. Looks like it has been well taken care of too. I love the early Lenzkirch clocks. Steve
     
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    Congrats PMAN on your latest! As a collector of mini weight drive Viennas I know the feeling of a new addition. They're so scarce and elusive that there's somewhat of a rush on each new acquisition. Alas I was told by a professed Lenzpert that Lenz never made a miniature weight driven. Congrats!
     
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    Steve and Scottie, thank you very much for congrats!

    Steve, as you I love early Lenzies too, especially unsigned :thumb:.
    Scottie, I agree with you about somewhat of a rush :excited:. I know and your professed Lenzpert right that Lenz never made weight driven miniature. Lenz used 30-Series spring driven movement only. As a collector of Lenzies mini-Regulators, I like mini weight drive Viennas too. But they "playing" in another price league :(.

    BR, Igor
     
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    One No2 from the Kłodzko Town Museum. There's the largest clocks exhibition in Poland. Is the one piece dial original ?
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    Lenzkirch is hanged over the entrance to the reconstructed Gustav Becker's office...;):
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    I think so. They had several models with one piece dials in their programs according to
    1880s,1890s catalogues. Perhaps customers also had a choice.
     
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    Hi Piotr.

    I think it's orginal one piece dial and has only one different from dial of my clock. It's a lines near numbers on this dial and dots near numbers on dial of my clock.
    Probably, Lenz changed the dial supplier.
     

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    Yes, Lenzkirch made 1 piece dials on some mini's. If you look at Dana Blackwells book, "Vienna Regulators of Lenzkirch and Lorenz Bob", page 130 -131, you will see a model 2 and other models with 1 piece dials. I aslo have pictures of many with the same dial. Steve
     
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    Great Mini-Lenz, Igor, thanks for sharing!!! :coolsign:
     
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    1 million movement, silvered dial , 2 weight, strikes on half and hour, 5 foot high, 8day complete and unrestored
     
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    Welcome to the NAWCC Message Board and thanks for showing. That's quite a clock!
    We would love to see pictures of the movement... :D
     
  13. LenzkirchFan

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    I would love to see pictures of the movement like Jurgen mentioned. Would also like to see the bracket and pendulum. Nice dial but it does not appear to be original.

    Please show us more!

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    Here are some more photos, there is no sign of the dial not being original, the back mof the dial has quite a few repair dates scratched into it,
    the clock looks very original. Can you tell me anything about it please. i can not find a similar case anywhere. has the case been especialy made or is it a regular model


     
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  16. LenzkirchFan

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    Very interesting. I have never seen a Lenzkirch cased like this one and I have over 3,000 different Lenzkirch clocks documented. That doesn't say that they didn't do it. After all, they were a clock factory and they were willing to please their customers. The dial pan that I can see from the picture of the back of the movement is original however the dial itself may not be. But again, it is still possible that it is.

    My guess would be that the movement is not original to the case. However, it does look good together so enjoy. We may never know for sure.

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    My colleaque from KMZiZ forum purchased beautiful Lenzkirch miniature clock, cataloque number 363 (pict. from "Vienna Regulators of Lenzkirch and Lorenz Bob ca.1870" by Dana Blackwell ). Case is in good condition, except missing original finials . He wants to restore this clock into the initial condition. But...there's one question. The bases and capitals of the columns are gold-plated (coating is very patinated). Is this original ? And, if is, should be the finials gold plated too ?

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    I believe, everything on a Lenzkirch, that is metal-colored, would have been
    metal. So if it's painted wood, it might not be original.
    The top ornaments could have been cast brass, but, personally, I doubt it.
    Unfortunately, I have found only one color picture of the model No. 374, which
    is very similar, but smaller. It has almost the same crown and the ornaments are
    carved wood.
    150 Jahre Lenzkircher Uhren, page 101.
     
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    Is this a Lenzkirch? I was told by one source it is a Lenzkirch and another it is a Becker. The works and dial are not original so they give no indication but the case is distinct enough that it should be identifiable to some [ not me ] with enough experience. It is 8foot 6inches, solid oak throughout and has a lot of shaped brass attached with a small plaque under the dial with a prayer engraved. I will try to attach several pictures and maybe somone will recognize something.
     
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    I suppose, the only things that could give us further clues would
    be gong mounts or brackets.
    Perhaps it is a Lenzkirch; I wouldn't want to say it isn't.
    During the period of ca. 1890 - 1910 almost all of the major German makers
    had similar elaborate floor clocks (Hausuhren) in their listings.
    However, up to about WW 1, the furniture industry had over 70% of the
    floor clocks businessin their hands, meaning, the clock producers delivered merely
    the dials, movements, weights, etc. and these were cased in by cabinet makers,
    often custom made to taste.
    Consider, for example, a 1907 clockmaker address book lists over a dozen
    spezialized case and cabinet making companies for Freiburg, Silesia, alone -
    the home of Gustav Becker.
     
  21. LenzkirchFan

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    I agree with soaringjoy that if it is original Lenzkirch it would be metal. The only color that I can think of that is on original Lenzkirch clocks is black.

    Can you tell me the complete serial number on this movement? I cannot see one of the numbers. By the way, this is still a very nice mini just like it is and that movement looks perfect. I love the 1st trademark that is on it. Lenzkirch made fewer of these with the first trademark than they did of the unmarked or those with the 2nd trademark.

    Steve
     
  22. LenzkirchFan

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    My first response on this clock is that it is not a Lenzkirch. Many people make the mistake of thinking that if it is an ornate case it must be Lenzkirch but that is simply not so. LFS made some very ornate cases similar in style as did other makers. This is still a beautiful piece and more research would be needed to determine if it is or is not a Lenz. If the movement and bracket are not original then you have your work cut out for you. I can say that I have never seen a Lenzkirch in the same case if that helps any.

    Good luck! Steve
     
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    The missing number is 7 Jumping 7 ;)There's only one layer of gold painting on the capitals and bases, any earlier (or background) paint, as the owner says.

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  24. Ulan

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    Hello Gents,
    Do you remember both clocks (231&232), serial number 44749 and 44754? Sure you do!
    Fortunately both are in the same hand now. Unfortunately in both some parts of movement responsible for central second motion are missing.
    And here is the request for help- if someone has pictures of the movement or is the owner of the same type pls contact me or better Tarant.
    The owner would like to rebuild central second.
    A few pictures from Polish forum, posted by the owner:
    http://zegarkiclub.pl/forum/topic/56550-lenzkirch-z-1852/page__st__40
     
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    Ulan, most of the pictures on KMZiZ forum is visible only for registered users. It'll be better to post all the photos here...
     
  26. LenzkirchFan

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    All that I have is pictures of the two clocks that you are talking about - I think. They are the pictures that were posted on the auctions when they were for sale. I have never found pictures of the movement with the second hand intact. I suspect that it was not very successful since it is so rare. Steve
     
  27. Ulan

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    THNS LenzkichFan

    I have recently bought something interesting, fast snaps:
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    Looks as 1860 with 4-5 weeks movement.
    Pulley, weight is orginal,
    Missing; crone and ornaments.
    Is this type described in some cataloge? Would help to find right crow.
     
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    Pls forgive me mistake with crone&crow ;)Of couse crown!
    As a compensation; additional pictures of elements typical for Lenz
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    This is as close as I can get.

    I think Everett's "Lenzkirch Clocks, The Unsigned Story" has pictures of the central
    second movement.
     

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    Awesome Ulan! What a find! Please let me know when you are ready to sell this beautiful clock!

    You are exactly right that all parts are typical Lenzkirch. Your clock is very similar the the Lenzkirch model 46. Here is a picture of a model 46 that I own and the serial number is 44356. A very early model. As a matter of fact, this is the only time-only open escapement Lenzkirch that I have ever seen in the spring powered clocks. We see lots of time and strike open escapements but not time-only in the spring powered clocks. The veneer on my clock appears to be very similar to yours.

    Steve
     

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    I thought that I would share an early Lenzkirch 1 weight similar to Ulin's that I own. The case is different and the movement is an 8 day run where Ulin's is a month runner but look at the many similarities. Steve
     

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    Any comment on this clock?
    Someone know anything about it?

    Best regards- Alex
     
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    Hi, Alex, welcome to the message board. It's a very French looking clock, but it's definitely a Lenzkirch. You have the pendulum hooked up wrong. I can't tell from your picture, but I suspect the suspension spring near the top of the movement is likely broken. That's where the pendulum should be hooked, not to the crutch.
     
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    Thanks for good answer!

    Have u seen anything like this before? What is a value of something like this?

    -Alex
     
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    I see:)

    but is This a rare item that i should Get estimated?:)
     
  37. LenzkirchFan

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    Hi Alex,

    This is a nice Lenzkirch talbe clock. You ask if it is rara. No, it is not rare but don't let that keep you from enjoying it. I can't say that I have seen a pendulum like that but the clock movement and style of case is not rare.

    Steve
     
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    Hi Ulan.

    Congrats! It's nice rare Lenz clock with 1 month runner movement.
    I revised the catalogs and didn't find a similar case. And I agree with LenzkirchFan that the case of model No. 46 is most close to your clock.

    Thanks for sharing and congrats once again!
     
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    Hi collegues.

    I'm glad to introduce my last incoming. It's Lenzkirch #73 unsigned mini-regulator. Dial and movement 30-series type II (same another my clock) has s/n 164526. Movement parts have marks as parts of movements with Lenzkirch logo.
     

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    Excellent Model 73 Pyroman. I love the simple lines of the early Lenzkirch clocks. This is one to be proud of! Steve
     
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    Thanks Steve!
     
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    Hi.

    Yesterday I received next unsigned Lenzkirch movement #176755 in fantastic coloured clock case. As you can see on photo, case had a crown, that now is missing.
    I guess the case not Lenzkirch (it look like not Lenzkirch) and Lenzkirch movement was intalled later in it. But when I removed movement bracket, and have not found holes from previous "wrong" movement bracket. I guess that another clock producer use this Lenzkirch movement.
    Movement bracket is brass "type I" bracket for early time only Lenzkirch movements. Movement is unsigned 26-series time only Lenzkirch movement. All parts has markings same parts of my previous clock. Pendulum has 5 steel and brass rods and has no curves around letters on bob as early Lenzkirch pendulums.
     

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    A very nice find, Igor.
     
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    :excited:It has been working for last 24 hours...
     
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    Congrats, Kinpol. :coolsign:

    Many thanks, Jurgen.
     
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    Awesome Kinpol!!!!! I have pictures of two mini movements that had the central seconds but the gears are missing. Now I know how it worked. Thank you! Steve
     
  48. LenzkirchFan

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    Igor, very nice early Lenzkirch. I agree with you. The case is not Lenzkirch but the bracket, movement, dial and pendulum are Lenzkirch I would think that the movement is original to the case. Great find! Steve
     
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    Hello,
    this is one of these mini movements you have on your pictures, it is number 44754. Both there are in my workshop. I want to reconstruct the central second gear in 44749 also.
    The movements there are in different condition, and I have to make the complex reperation and reconstruction of lost parts.
    In 44754 the brake lever of seconds wheel is missing, also the puller mounted with anchor is missing. Only seconds wheel apears.
    In 44749 the brake lever of seconds wheel is missing and the puller was broken. The seconds wheel is missing.
    Sorry for my English but I hope that you have understood.

    Kind regards ;)
     
  50. Ticktock Aussie

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    Attached clock i picked up for 300$ in Aus-It is stamped lenzkirch and has Serial no aprox 860,000 from memory.
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    Would be greatful for model and any background info. Missing top finial -Any suggestions?


    It has AHH carved into the wood under the face. Is this known from others?

    Tick Tock Aussie
     

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