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  1. Dajameson

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    Any help figuring out the story on this clock? Back is stamped Lenzkirch, and has "396" near the logo. Also has a handwritten number "4388" on the back. Has a "SONOSONG" movement/chime. My Father was a pilot in the USAF and had rotations into Germany in the 1960s, where he purchased this clock. It was in my bedroom growing up, and now it's in the living room of my home. Where is the serial number located on these clocks?

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  2. Colin Drake

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    The serial number on these clocks is found on the back of the clock works. The clock works sit on a wooden board that is held in place with thumb screws at either end. I would leave the clock works attached to the board and just pull the whole board out. Then you will be able to see the back of the movement. this clock will have the "1 Million" mark on it, so you will just have to add 1 million to the serial number you see to get the actual serial number. I know tthe hands on that clock were in use in the 20's, so it was probably from around that time.
     
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    Thank you! SN 829915.

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  5. Tatyana

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    Hi All!

    My first Lenzkirch looks very solid. The signature of the Russian trading house "ПАВЕЛЪ БУРЕ" is on the dial. Production date of 1912.

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    Recently in Moscow sold the same clock "ПАВЕЛЪ БУРЕ".

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    I have a question: this model from the catalogue of the Lenzkirch? In four years I have never seen such a cases.
    Or these cases was produced by the trading house "ПАВЕЛЪ БУРЕ"?

    BR, Tatyana
     
  6. LenzkirchFan

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    Hello Tatyana,

    I have never seen this style case in any Lenzkirch catalog or anywhere else.
    Steve
     
  7. czerralf

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    Hi, this is my Lenzkirch. Not my first. It is fully complete, and all decorations are in place - which isn't common. The catalogue number is 71, fully functional with a beautiful sound.

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    Very nice peacock Lenzy, congratulations! What is the movement number?

    Best regards,
    Oleg
     
  9. czerralf

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    1047xxx
    Kind Regards
     
  10. Jim Andrews

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    hi all,

    I found this Lenzkirch single weight on Craigslist last February and knew it was missing the top. I'm sure I paid too much for it, but I knew it was a desirable brand. I'd like to know the model number and year of manufacture, and if possible, what the top should look like. Also, what are the options for replacing the top short of doing your own woodworking? This is a big clock at 45" tall and about 14" wide. I dated the serial number as best I could when I got it and came up with 1914. Any info would be great as I've offered it to someone and don't want to be snookered. Thanks

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  11. tarant

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    thanks for the photo. Mine is a single weight vs the two weight shown. Would the model number be the same and is 1914 accurate for the year produced? many thanks
     
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    This picture is from the catalog for the year 1903. Cases for single weight movements had identical catalog numbers, and these numbers remained unchanged for many years.
     
  14. Jim Andrews

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    Great information, thanks!
     
  15. Ulan

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    Hello,
    I have not been for the while...
    The new Lentzs' purchases.
    The first one: Mod 80, 1869-1870 ( nr 92496 )
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  16. Ulan

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    ...and the other one:
    Mod 26 ( pls check ?)
    With serial nr - 80128 on the movement and - 90920 on the dial back side.
    With interesting dating from the clock-maker who sold the clock coming from 10/03/1870.
    Does the clock-maker's dating move forward Oled's dating table?
    Was 80128 & 90920 produced in one year, 1870?
    How long the clock was stocked in clock-maker ( retailer ) office?
    What do you think?
    I hope you will find it interesting.

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  17. Oled

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    #568 Oled, Apr 11, 2019
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    Hi Ulan!

    Thanks you very much for sharing such a valuable find! Both clocks are excellent examples, but originally dated clocks of this age are extremely rare. Regarding this second clock: it is model 28, which first appeared probably around 1863-64. I'm attaching two catalogue scans of this model, one is from 1869-70 catalogue and the other one is from 1873. I can see that your case have more tendency to look like 1873 picture. This means that the model probably was slightly restyled (as usual for Lenzkirch) during ~1869-70.

    As for the wholesaler A.Bartholome, I've found two ads by him in the "Schwaebischer Merkur", one from August, 1869 and the other from July-August, 1871, in which he advertising his repair shop. So the dates are near right, at least.

    I've seen several Lenzie's with diverse numbers on the movement and dial, but I use to date such clocks using the bigger number. Most probably it was the factory assembly department which used refurbished movement or movement from the unsold stock. Number 90920 could be dated to around August,1869 according to dating table, and the date on the wholesaler's paper is March, 1870. I think that half-year gap is quite reasonable, and clock could be possibly just hanged on the wall at the clockshop, waiting for customer. But anyway it is a great dated evidence of the time, thank you for sharing, Ulan!

    Best regards,
    Oleg

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  18. LenzkirchFan

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    After over 40 years of collecting Lenzkirch clocks, I finally got my hands on a Lenzkirch jewelers regulator clock movement. It was the complete clock without a case. The movement does not have the center sweep second hand but does have a subsidiary second dial. It has the gridiron pendulum that weighs almost 15 pounds. What a find!

    I had some cherry lumber that my grandfather cut and milled off of his farm more than 60 years ago. I always wondered what I would build out of that lumber and this was perfect opportunity to use it for a case for this fine clock. The cherry case is similar to a Lenzkirch model 26 case but is a little simpler.

    Steve


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    wow... very nice.
     
  20. Oled

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    Great clock, Steve! Thanks for sharing! Do you have some movement photos? Does it have jeweled pivots?

    Best regards,
    Oleg
     
  21. LenzkirchFan

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    Thanks Oleg. I'll try to post some movement photos. It does not have the jeweled pivots. :(
     
  22. Andrew G.

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    Hi All,

    here is my Lenzkirch.

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  23. Tatyana

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    Hi, Andrew!

    Nice rare clock!
    Please add a pic with the serial number or write a serial number. There are people on the forum who collect statistics and make an analysis of the Lenzkirch.

    BR, Tatyana
     
  24. Andrew G.

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    I added more pictures. This movement was made in a beginning of 1913 (thanks for your help to identify it). It was sold in Toronto, Canada via retailer "Murray-Kay Limited" (John Kay's company) right before the WWI.
    The first service/tune up was made on February 11th, 1921.

    I like this clock!

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  25. Tatyana

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    3-weight movements Lenzkirch is a rarity.
    I found in Odsnya's table only 5 clock (out of 7 thousand movements).
     
  26. Andrew G.

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    Thanks Tatyana. Wow! I was not able to find anything similar so far. That explains why.
     
  27. Casey Jones

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    A Lenzkirch clock in a case different than those posted before. A porcelain case made by the Sitzendorfer Porcelain Manufactory and representing the four seasons with cherubs. The case bears the mark that Sitzendorf used from 1894 until 1902. The movement serial number is 868810. It is 18 & 1/2 inches tall. My Wife's favorite clock. Surprisingly very little if any damage to the delicate porcelain flowers after 120 years of use.

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    The movement dates to 1891, according to the latest database on Lenzkirch serial numbers.

    Regards.
     
  29. Casey Jones

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    Thanks. That fits in with the date mark on the Porcelain case.
     
  30. LenzkirchFan

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    Hi Oled. Here are some additional pictures including the movement. Steve
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  31. LenzkirchFan

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    #582 LenzkirchFan, Jul 6, 2019
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    Hi Tatyana,

    The 3-weight Lenzkirch Westminster grandfather clocks are not as common. I have somewhere between 10 and 20 in my data base. I own 3 of them :). All were acquired without the case :(. I have built cases for two of them.

    Steve
     
  32. Tatyana

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    Hello, Steve!
    You fully justify your nick.
    There is a person on the Russian forum who also keeps statistics on Lenzkirch, he already has more than 7,000 movements in his database. Among them are five 3-weight Lenzkirch Westminster grandfather clocks:
    1_747_605
    1_775_973
    1_857_779
    1_907_173
    2_019_857.

    Share your movements, please us!

    This your Lenzkirch?

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  33. LenzkirchFan

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    Yes, Tatyana, that is mine. That is one of the cases that I built. I'll look up the serial numbers that I have. I have over 4,000 in my data base with another 1,000 or so that I have not put in yet. I have pictures of all the clocks and movements that I have in my data base. Steve
     
  34. czerralf

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    To answer Jacek's post, which showed Lentzkirch nr. 26, I wanted to show mine which also has some missing elements. It is a much later model, around 320xxx. After few modifications in Lentzkirch factory, but I also think it is interesting and worth showing.

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  35. czerralf

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    I also wanted show a model 14, with rare signature, one of the first. Signature: 219928

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  36. Phil G4SPZ

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    I’ve read through this entire excellent thread, but have not seen a Lenzkirch mantle clock like this one:

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    A recent donation to the Black Country Living Museum’s clock collection, the movement is of excellent quality, with replaceable adjustable pallets, fine pivots and thick heavy plates. The suspension spring is missing, and the escape wheel gummed up with old oil, but I’ve every confidence that this lovely clock can be brought back to working order again.

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    According to the latest Lenzkirch serial number dating chart, the clock was made in 1923, which fits nicely with the date written on the label.

    Regards.
     
  38. Phil G4SPZ

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    Thanks for that. Could you possibly post a link to where that chart can be found, please? I have searched online and found three different Lenzkirch dating charts, none of which agree with each other!

    Phil
     
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    Phil,

    You can find it in Post #3 of the following thread:

    How old is this Lenzkirch?

    This dating chart is a monumental task by those composing it and will continue to be a work-in-progress, but should not vary much in future editions.

    Regards.
     
  40. Phil G4SPZ

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    Got it! Many thanks to you, and also to those who have compiled this chart.

    Phil
     
  41. Andrew G.

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    ... in addition to my posts #573 and #575. I found that clock in Lenzkirch catalog #357, year 1913.

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  42. Steve33

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    I just acquired this tall case clock. It is a 3-weight Lenzkirch movement with Westminster chimes. The movement SN is 1,833,788. On the lower right corner of the back of the movement there is AGUL over H4 in a circle. Can anyone enlighten me about this? Below the circle is D.R.P. which I understand is the German patent. The weights are labeled Lenzkirch. The dial is labeled K-C Co Germany, which indicates the movement was imported to the U.S. by the Kuehl Clock Co of Chicago, and I believe that the style of that trademark is consistent with the 1913 date of manufacture indicated by the movement serial number. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The case appears to be a Herschede case. I found a photo of a clock auctioned in 2012 described as a Herschede clock with a German movement (unidentified) with an identical case, and a local grandfather clock specialist who examined my clock said the numbers on the back of the case were definitely Herschede although nowhere on the case was a Herschede trademark to be found. Sorry for the poor photos of the markings on the back of the movement, but it's still in the case and I have no plans or need to remove it. I've read in this thread that 3-weight Lenzkirch movements aren't common, so here is another one for your database.

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  43. Andrew G.

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    #594 Andrew G., Nov 24, 2019
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    Hi Steve,

    It's very nice clock. The movement appears to be the same as in #575 (and #573) thread. The weights and pendulum are also Lenzkirch. It mentioned as Garnirur 21 in Lenzkirch catalog #353 of 1912 and #357 of 1913. The gong is not AGUL. The serial number 1,833,788 on the movement points to the second half of 1913. Congrats!

    Andrew.

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    The trademark Agul was registered by the Actiengesellschaft für Uhrenfabrikation, Lenzkirch in 1910.

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    To avoid confusion, Actiengesellschaft für Uhrenfabrikation, Lenzkirch is the legal, corporate name of our beloved Lenzkirch. Many times, we will see the company referred to as Lenzkirch AG. The AG is an abbreviation for Actiengesellschaft. A German or Swiss or Austrian "AG" is the equivalent to a "Corporation" in the U.S.

    I was curious why Lenzkirch created an additional trademark and found the following on this board, provided by a contributor whose screen name is "soaringjoy". This information could be pertinent to Steve33's tall case clock.

    "The Lenzkirch clock factory was considered to be one of the finest in Germany
    at the time. Lenzkirch was a small town in the Badische Black Forest.
    Also referred to officially as AGUL (Aktiengesellschaft für Uhrenproduktion Lenzkirch),
    they started a new series of movements in 1911 / 1912, which they called "Agul-type".
    There was a DRP 231204 (Deutsches Reichspatent - Imperial German patent) granted in
    1910 and published in 1911 on a self-adjusting chime train.
    There were then varieties of the movement as a Bim-Bam strike, 3/4 and 4/4 Westminster
    chime. The Agul movements in "Hausuhren", tall case clocks, were equipped with the new
    Sonor-Gong as a choice. They were still being made in 1923 at least."


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  46. LenzkirchFan

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    Hi Steve, Great clock. You will love the Lenzkirch westminster movement that is in this clock. I'm interested, does the moon dial rotate? With the Germany mark on the front of the dial I would think that it is not original to the movement. The gong is not a Lenzkirch gong. Theirs has AGUL across the front. That doesn't make this clock any less enjoyable. I have two of these movements in clocks and one sitting in a box waiting for me to build a case for it. The big westminster movements are stamped H4 which I think is just the designation for that particular type of movement. One series of their standard 2 weight grandfather movements is stamped H2.

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  47. Steve33

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    Thanks for the explanations of AGUL H4. The moon dial is functional. I assume the movement was shipped without a dial and the dial was supplied by the importer, or whomever assembled clocks for this importer.
     
  48. Steve33

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    Here are some additional pictures of the movement of my clock shown in #593. I show the back of the dial, the front of the movement, and a side view showing how the disk which drives the moon dial is mounted on the hour pipe in front of the snail. Compare with the movement shown in #575. I assume that the only modification to the movement required to accommodate the moon dial is the addition of the disk with the pin to turn the star wheel on the moon dial. Did any tall case three-weight clocks manufactured by Lenzkirch have a moon dial?

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    Thanks for the additional information and pictures Steve33. You certainly have an interesting movement. Moving mood dials are not common on Lenzkirch clocks. I have seen a couple and I think that they were a wall clock and a bracket clock. However, I can't seem to find them in my database or pictures. I need to make a better effort in finding them but it takes a lot of time to search over 5,000 clocks! I have never seen a moon dial on one of their 3 weights. The dial and additional disk on the movement appear to be quality work that I would expect from Lenzkirch. My first thought was that they were 3rd party but now I hesitate to say that. The only thing still bugging me is that the gong is not a marked Lenzkirch gong. But . . . who knows. I will try to find pictures of the couple of moon dials that I have seen on Lenzkirch clocks and compare them to yous.

    Steve
     

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