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  1. Kobas

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    Fugue Musicale.

    Author of the sculpture - Rousseeau


    Jules Antoine Rousseau (born 1710, died 1782) - a French sculptor and decorator representing the style of Louis XVI.
    He came from a well-known artistic family. He did primarily works commissioned by the kings of France in their residences, min. in Versailles. His sons - Jules Hugue Rousseau and Jean Siméon Rousseau - were also outstanding decorators.
    More important works:

    Cabinet du Conseil decoration in the Versailles Palace (1755)
    a team of several rooms in the court suites of the Versailles palace: Delfina's room, library and king's bathroom, Mrs. Barry's bathroom

    Catalog number 4/154
    Height 39 cm.
    Marble base.

    What does FUGUE MUSICALE mean :???:?

    Fuga (Latin escape, fugue - chase) - one of the most elaborate musical structures, based on strict polyphony and imitation. It requires many votes (usually from 2 to 6) and several topics (usually up to 4). From its inception in the seventeenth century, it was a kind of test of the composer's workshop]. It was the most important baroque form of polyphony. There are instrumental fugues (for solo instrument, instrumental group) and choral ones. It can be an independent musical piece or part of a larger form (masses, sonatas, operas, etc.). Due to the strictness of the rules prevailing during her writing, she is often compared to one of the most elaborate literary forms - the sonnet. The less advanced, quasi-fugue, usually two-part, we call fughetta, and the performance definition indicating the play "in the style of fugue" fugato
    Jan Sebastian Bach composed fugues

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  2. Tempore747

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    #52 Tempore747, Jun 18, 2018
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    Hi, I think its a cricket pitcher or something similar, by searching on the web it seems to be a pitcher in the action to launch the ball ... And will not "surprise" me considering the cricket boy (Gamin) or other sports figures.
     
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    #53 Tempore747, Jun 19, 2018
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    I confirm, in order to specify its a Victorian cricket figure of C.B Fry - Original statue is for sure part of 3 piece clock garniture set depicting Fry bowling one of the great all round cricketers of his time. What I think is that Junghans has made a tribute to C.B. Fry, and Kobas Swinging clock is a remake of the original made statue with a singular style (look at the shoe that is out the square base) and the classic semisphere on which the jeweled bar is screwed. I can see a Junghans imprint style on this swinging clock.
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    Very nice piece!
     
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    My new Junghans piece. I do not find the same piece, but I think the figure is original.

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  6. Kobas

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    A friend of mine from Germany sent me pictures of a lamp with Amor's character. This is the sculpture of Auguste Moreau


    Auguste Moreau (1834 - 1917, France)
    Auguste Moreau - French sculptor, from an excellent family of sculptors. He was the father of three sculptors (Louis August, Hipolit and Edmond) and two painters (Gaston August and Albert August); his brother was the sculptor Hipolit Francois. He made his debut at the Paris Salon in 1861 and regularly until 1913 he exhibited his works there: two- and three-part genre scenes, allegorical and also few portraits, made mainly in bronze. The statuettes of cupids brought him international fame. His works are in museums, including in Bordeaux, Dijon, Gray, Paris and Reims, as well as in numerous private collections.



    Junghans used this Amor by A. Moreau to design and place the next clock in the catalog under the name Amour - catalog number 916.

    And here it starts to be interesting.

    I have never seen this clock - outside the catalog.

    The figure of Cupid in the lamp has a very visible assembly seam. The figure consists of an upper and a lower part, between them there is a gap. The clock in the Junghansa catalog also has this unfortunate slot - it can be seen exactly. Why did Junghans not properly make his character Amor as he did in all other figures?

    Maybe because he did not make this figure for his needs (except for making the pattern for the catalog)

    Besides, this "Amour" has no wings, what an Amur without wings. The Amors are probably flying.

    Junghans, on the other hand, introduced another Amora for sale - very similar to that without wings, but different (equal to both)

    Is Amour from the directory here fake?

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  7. Robert Gary

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    #57 Robert Gary, Aug 11, 2018
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    Kobas:

    Thank you for informing me of the rebirth of this thread. When I started this thread, my plan was to gather enough information to write an article on Junghans swingers for publication in the NAWCC magazine, The Bulletin. But, with the help of the people here and many others that have emailed me directly, I now have far more information than will fit in only an article, enough for at least one book, maybe two. My problem is finding the time to write about the Junghans Swingers.

    In specific response to your post quoted here, Gamin and Groz Elegant are not identical. Extremely similar, but not identical. Groz Elegant (No. 6764) has a concave bat and the ball is slightly bigger, but so close it takes a micrometer to measure the difference. Gamin (No. 4/106) has a flat bat. The different bats can be seen if you look very closely at the two versions pictured in Any400Day's catalog pictures. Both are confusingly referred to in the U.S. as "Bat Boy", probably because no one bothered to examine them closely enough to see the difference.

    Elegant (No. 6548 4/48; No. 6619 4/49; and No. 6620 is also slightly different from Arcano (No. 89/10), but even less so than Groz Elegant and Gamin. I must research my notes to remember the slight difference. These two statues raise an interesting question. Elegant was made in numerous years from 1911 to 1938, but Arcano was made only in 1913-1914. Why change a statue for only one year, especially in such minor ways?

    During my research, I came across the attached sell sheet by a very large French jewelry store that shows several statues with Junghans swinger clocks (referred to in the Junghans catalog as "Swing Pendulum". Most of these statues are not shown in any known Junghans catalog. It is my theory, which I am as yet unable to document, is that Junghans did not actually cast statues, but instead bought them from statue foundries. I also guess that these clocks, back in their day, were sold much like pocket watches of the time were sold, at least in the U.S. A buyer interested in a pocket watch would pick his choice of movements, then pick the case he wanted, and the jeweler would put the two together. I believe customers would pick the statue they wanted, then they would pick the Junghans Swing Pendulum from among the six styles offered by Junghans. Swing pendulum No.4 in the Junghans catalog is actually two different styles. Look closely at the two side-by-side and you will notice different ribbons on top, necks, and weight ball styles. I do not own one of each, so I cannot post comparison pictures for you.

    I have also seen some of these statues with different swing bars that use the Ansonia swinger type pivot. This, to me, also suggests that the statues may have been made and purchased as I stated above.
     

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  8. Kobas

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    Hello Robert (eight years - a little bit happening)
    Thank you for more interesting information.
    A picture from a prospectus from a French jewelry store is very interesting.
    I hope you will find time to write an interesting book about Junghans clocks - Mystery.
     
  9. Robert Gary

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    Believe it or not, in English kangaroos travel in a "mob". Great collection! I don't have any 'roos.
     
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    Hello, Barbara, and welcome to the board.

    We have a thread dedicated to Junghans mystery swingers:

    Post Your Junghans Mystery Swingers here

    Hopefully, this thread can be of assistance to you.

    Perhaps a moderator can move your post to the above thread.

    Regards.
     
  12. Barbara.Ant

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    Hello,
    I'm from Italy.
    I inherited this clock from an aunt who had inherited it from another relative, who owned it from 1925 ca.
    I'm looking for more information on this clock and statue.
    Family has always considered it something of great value, so I think it should be original.
    Thank you for your help.
    Barbara

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  13. Kobas

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    Good morning
    I think that Barbara's clock is not original.
    The mechanism is original. However, the mechanism has been repaired and supplemented many times by non-original parts. Damaged bolts are visible. Large interventions in the mechanism are marked with the letter C.
    Brass pendulum and figure (boy's figure) were made "home". The cast is very inaccurate and made carelessly, Junghans performed statues and pendulums carefully. Inaccuracies marked with B.
    In addition, other dimensions of the hole can be seen in the pendulum. The original pendulum has a significantly smaller opening (marked with the letter A)
    Such "home" castings were made in forms made of sand mixed with resin. The factory making statues for Junghans made castings in metal forms.

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    How do these clocks work?
     
  15. Kobas

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    The clocks belong to the "MYSTERY CLOCK" group.
    So the principle of operation of these clocks is covered by a very guarded secret.
    But the insiders know this secret.
    A small pendulum in the clockwork mechanism is coupled with a large pendulum.
    It is energy acting on a rigid body.

    In order for the body to start rotating, it must be influenced by force. The effect of the force depends, among other things, on the distribution of mass relative to the axis of rotation of the body.

    moment of inertia - the size of the mass distribution of a given body relative to its axis of rotation.

    When we divide the body into n infinitesimal fragments, the pattern has the form:
    I = m 1 r 1 2 + m 2 r 2 2 +. . . + mnrn 2 {\ displaystyle I = m_ {1} r_ {1} ^ {2} + m_ {2} r_ {2} ^ {2} + ... + m_ {n} r_ {n} ^ {2} } {\ displaystyle I = m_ {1} r_ {1} ^ {2} + m_ {2} r_ {2} ^ {2} + ... + m_ {n} r_ {n} ^ {2}}
    Where m - the mass of the fragment, and r - its distance from the axis of rotation.

    Moments of inertia of selected bodies [edit]
    bar - when the axis of rotation is the axis of symmetry of the bar:
    I = 1 12 ml 2 {\ displaystyle I = {\ frac {1} {12}} ml ^ {2}} {\ displaystyle I = {\ frac {1} {12}} ml ^ {2}} - when the axis of rotation is perpendicular and passes through the end of the rod: I = 1 3 ml 2 {\ displaystyle I = {\ frac {1} {3}} ml ^ {2}} {\ displaystyle I = {\ frac {1} {3 }} ml ^ {2}} thin-walled tube
    I = m r 2 {\ displaystyle \, I = mr ^ {2}} {\ displaystyle \, I = mr ^ {2}} thick-walled pipe
    I = 1 2 m (R 2 + r 2) {\ displaystyle I = {\ frac {1} {2}} m (R ^ {2} + r ^ {2})} {\ displaystyle I = {\ frac {1} {2}} m (R 2} + {r ^ {2})} roller / disc
    I = 1 2 m r 2 {\ displaystyle I = {\ frac {1} {2}} mr ^ {2}} {\ displaystyle I = {\ frac {1} {2}} mr ^ {2}} sphere
    I = 2 5 mr 2 {\ displaystyle I = {\ frac {2} {5}} mr ^ {2}} {\ displaystyle I = {\ frac {2} {5}} mr ^ {2}} material point - when the distance from the axis of rotation equals r
    I = m r 2 {\ displaystyle I = mr ^ {2}} {\ displaystyle I = mr ^ {2}}

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  16. Barbara.Ant

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    Hello,
    Can I please have other experts opinions on this Birichino. Mr Robert Gary please?
    Both statue and clock are definitely made of metal, not resin.
    Aunt' family always considered this of great value, so I do not think it can be an homemade cheap copy.
    Many thanks,
    Barbara
     
  17. Tempore747

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    #67 Tempore747, Nov 3, 2018
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    Here's a "Birichino" Mystery clock from a recent auction. Clock case seems to be genuine, i have no pictures of the inside movement but from the back position of the minutes button and the charge think it cold be original. Some doubts on the figure, but may be its original. I have not good comparisons for evaluating it, considering that the official catalogue reports the boy without the stick in his left hand and i have seen only statues with the wooden stick (longer, shorter). I red somewhere that Birichino has been produced in patient version (it not seems to be this case) but i also red that there was a gold version called "golden boy" (it seems to have the rest of a golden patina but from the pictures i am not sure). Declared dimensions are 3" x 5" x 20" but may be they are approximate. I will be happy to show you the pictures:

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  18. Tempore747

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    Hi Barbara,
    while waiting Robert's considerations, i can confirm i agree with Kobas. The inside movement seems to be original, not the case and may be not the figure (the are usually detailed in particulars). Kobas has explained in the previous answer all the differences with the original ones. I never seen a copy of this clock case; consider there are a lot of reproductions of the classic swinging movement most produced for mystery clocks (the one with the gridiron - 3 metal sticks in the pendulum and the regulation bulb at the end as yours) but sinceriously never seen reproductions from the other models. Regarding your clock case this could be the first time. The first time i had a look to your clock it seems like someone has "repainted" or worked with some material on it. But i don't want to give unsure opinions.

    Best Regards.
     
  19. Kobas

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    Perhaps not everyone knows that the beautiful Rokoko clock (barmaid, maid) appeared in two versions.



    1. in dark-brown patina color. catalog number 4/102

    2. Gold-plated - catalog number - 4/120



    It was produced in 1922 and 1923.

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    Oh thats great Kobas! Great Stuff!!! Never seen the golden Rokokó! Anyway mine has a good patine too,here’s from my collection.
     
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    In the life of every collector, a day can occur in which he can find a White Raven, Unicorn or Golden Delfina.

    And such a day has just come for me. There is a golden dolphin

    The figure of a gold-plated dolphin - so-called old gold.

    Wooden base

    height 26 cm

    A type 4 pendulum, but not entirely. It differs from other type 4 pendulums. I may have discovered a type 5 pendulum that is known to exist but no one has seen it. About this later.



    Produced in 1913-1915 (German and French market)

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  22. Robert Gary

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    Kobas:
    I apologize for my tardiness in responding to your request. I have been up to my eyeballs in Board of Director business for the last couple of weeks. I have now gone through all of the singers listed in Any400Day's compendium of Junghans Swinger clock catalogs, and I have found nothing that is similar to the statue you show. This does not rule out the possibility that it was a Junghans statue because we are missing catalogs from several years covering the manufacturing of these clocks, but it substantially reduces the likelihood. I wouldn't worry too much about it because it appears that several foundries in Europe made statues for these clocks. It is probable that a buyer would go into a clock shop, pick a statue he liked and the movement he liked and the clock maker would pair the two up for him.
     
  23. Kobas

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    Hello Gary.
    The dolphin is the original Junghans clock. It has catalog number 7640. It was produced in the years 1913-1915 - for the French and German market.

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  24. Tempore747

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    Very interesting Kobas, great collection, congratulations! ;-) think you for sharing your great collection
     
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    Hi, from my collection , even if in not perfect condition, "Tempo E Danaro" N.89/1 1913/14

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  26. Kobas

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    Congratulations. Another beautiful, rare clock.
    We have more and more clocks from Junghans catalogs (Mystery)
     
  27. Tempore747

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    Thank you Kobas, and just next to my Cleopatra "San Marco" N.89/12

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    In 1877, the Herion brothers, the Italian agents of Junghans, founded the first Italian factory of watches, clocks and precision devices in Italy. Initially, it was a simple assembly workshop for imported items (known from where). After a few years the workshop grew and in the central part of the Giudecca island a huge factory was opened with full autonomy. In 1899, Arthur Junghans, one of the founder's two heirs, joined the company and took over it in 1903.
    The Italian branch of Junghansa produced beautiful kiwaki - intended for the Italian market. Examples include Il Mondo, Campione, Brichino, Mercurio or Tempo e Danaro. These kiwaki are documented in the Italian catalog from 1913.
    But Art Deco rovers also came out of the Italian factory.
    Junghans released advertising materials in 1923 and there he boasted a group of Art Deco clocks.
    I managed to win such Art Deco.

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    #79 Tempore747, May 6, 2019
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    Great Stuff Kobas and yes, you did it again, a great example of a rare pendulum with the historical movement from Junghans. This add an extra swinger pendulum. Very nice! And think that this is the prove that Style Grows up and its applicable to a large kind of models (see particular statuette) Congratulation!
     
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    Thank you for your kind words
     
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    Hi Everyone,

    From my Mysterieuse collection, with broken swings,ready to be restored, Gloire by Bruchon

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    #82 Kobas, May 8, 2019
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    Congratulations. Another beautiful clock.
    according to my assessment, we have already shown 70 - 75% of all clocks shown in the Junghans catalogs.
    The day is approaching with big steps. in which we will be able to jointly organize the first international exhibition of Junghans Mystery Swingers clocks :)
     
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    Many thanks Kobas for your kind words, its a proud to share this great collection in this channel. Its an important opportunity to better learn on Junghs Mystery collection, and in general on Mysteriusen clock series.

     
  34. Kobas

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    A Roman had bought a pendulum clock swing a hundred years ago at the clock store. It was the pendulum No. 2.

    By the way, the term "pendulum" is not enough, the term clock is too much. I wonder how to properly call a pendulum with a mechanism?

    The Roman pushed the pendulum into the closet and the pendulum lay in the cabinet for about 100 years.

    His descendant found this pendulum. This descendant knew that in Poland there is a large group of kiwaki lovers from Junghans and he sent this pendulum to Poland. He placed the pendulum in the paper in which it was purchased. Paper is not very different from modern papers.

    The pendulum is "virgin"

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    Another Beautiful Clock from Kobas.This is a very rare example of the manufacturing of this kind of pendulum including patina details. Thank you Kobas for sharing these beautiful stuff. This thread is becoming important in order to learn about Junghans Mystery Swingers collection.
     
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    Friends, could someone give me a hand by consulting Junghans catalogs, this image and a Junghans? I looked at some similar but this looks different, it is approximately 18 inches tall, I did not find a signature. Thank You. i1.jpg i2.jpg i3.jpg i4.jpg i5.jpg i6.jpg i7.jpg i8.jpg i9.jpg i10.jpg i11.jpg i12.jpg i13.jpg
     
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    IMG_20191230_122847.jpg Hallo, ich habe hier eine sehr schöne Junghans-Schwingpendeluhr, diese Uhr befindet sich schon sehr lange im Besitz meiner Familie, es wäre möglich, dass mein Großvater sie vor 1940 in Italien erworben hat, vielleicht kann mir einer von Ihnen bei der Bestimmung dieser Uhr helfen

    Hello, I have a very beautiful Junghans oscillating pendulum clock, this watch has been in my family for a long time, it could be that my grandfather bought it in Italy before 1940, maybe one of you can help me determine this watch help
     
  38. Kobas

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    #88 Kobas, Jan 8, 2020
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    informacje na temat zegarów art deco zawarte są w poście nr 78 powyżej
     
  39. Grant Perry

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    Hello,
    I know this is a fairly common model of this clock, but I was happy to find one locally. It has been overhauled and is running well.
    Thank you,
    Grant
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  40. Kobas

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    Grant and Kobas:

    Very nice collections. Thank you for posting them. Kobas has some very rare examples in beautiful condition.
     
  42. Kobas

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    Robert, thank you for your kind words and recognition.
     
  43. Tempore747

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    Hi everyone, i like to share some picture of my “Campione”

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  44. Paul Snyder

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    Just got this Junghan from a auction in Italy. I been researching it a little and heard something about some of the clocks made at the Junghans factory in Italy had gold on them. This has gold trim all over it. Got it tested with a acid test but the trim is so small it was hard to tell looks like it made it thru the test. Does any buddy know more about that. Tried to take pics so you could see trim. This is a spelter body

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  45. Jeremy Woodoff

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    I think your swinger is authentic. The pendulum style is not the usual type, that has three metal rods, but I think I've seen this one before. The ball at the bottom looks replaced. The dull gilt finish on spelter looks right, also. I'm not familiar with any differences between clocks made in the Italian factory and the German factory. In fact, I didn't know there was a Junghans Italian factory.
     
  46. new2clocks

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    Paul,

    We have a thread dedicated to Junghans swingers:

    Post Your Junghans Mystery Swingers here

    There are contributors to this thread who have Junghans swinger catalogs and the like and are very focused on Junghans swingers. They tend to visit that thread exclusively, so perhaps a moderator could move this thread to that thread.

    Please do NOT start a new thread, as duplicate threads on the same subject become confusing. A moderator can move the thread.

    If you would prefer to have your thread moved, just click on the "Report" button at the bottom of any response. A message box will pop-up and you can type your request in that message box.

    Regards.
     

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