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The W200/100 movement was in use from circa 1927 to circa 1967. And, you are correct - the consensus is dimpled movements commenced in the 1930's.The movement has dimpling which according to the consensus in the archives, the practice began sometime in the 1930's. So, the case numbers, if it were a smeared 11 and not 17 could very well be a date. I'm thinking 40 more than 48, but I'm just commenting from what little I know. There are experts who will be along soon.
Welcome to the board.Hi, New to this forum and not a clock man, Inherited the Junghans below from my grandfather, It was the one thing i wanted from his house when he passed as i remember it fondly growing up. I knew nothing of its origins or maker until it came into my possession - Any information on it appreciated
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Thanks JTD , I'm away from home but my wife took the following pictures (not exactly what i wanted !) - on the inside back of the case is the "J" logo and unghans. I hope you can just see the design behind the bowl chime and Wire chime in the attached. Will get better pictures once i am back home in a couple of weeksWelcome to the board.
Please show us photos of the movement, particularly the back plate, and it will be possible to give you more information. You say it is a Junghans and it may well be, but I can't see any identifying marks in your photo (which is not very sharp) and so I am wondering how you know it is a Junghans.
The Junghans trademark was registered in circa 1891 and as best we know, Junghans commenced date coding their movements in 1901. This implies that your movement was made between 1891 and 1901.Hello everyone!
One of my relatives inherited this Junghans clock. He would like to know more about it therefore, he took some photos of it. According to the photos, there is only the trademark on its dial and black plate (nothing else). We would appreciate any information regarding its age, originality, catalogue photo, etc. Can it be the original case or was the older mouvement installed in it later?
Thanks for your help in advance!
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A nice example of a German ogee clock, imitating a style of clock that is associated with American makers. We not too long ago had a thread on another German-made ogee. There are references there that would prove interesting reading. Unfortunately, articles in past issues of the NAWCC Bulletin can be accessed only by members of the NAWCC. Still, you might find the thread itself interesting.
IIRC, that Junghans paper label - the "e pluribus unum" and variations of it - were noted as early as 1877 through 1882 and possibly later.
E.J. Tyler, in his book American Clocks for the Collector, states that the trademark was registered in 1877. He implies it might have been in use until 1888 when Junghans registered their five-point star logo. Junghans was one of the earliest German companies to copy American style clocks, movements, cases, even labels. The idea was to capitalize on the popularity and inexpensiveness of American clocks in an attempt to reclaim some of the European market (particularly England) taken over by the American clock manufacturers.IIRC, that Junghans paper label - the "e pluribus unum" and variations of it - were noted as early as 1877 through 1882 and possibly later.
It is a very early Junghans trademark / logo.
Thanks for the welcome!Welcome to the board.
I think the lever on the left is the night-time chime silencer. Try it and see.
Others will no doubt be along to give you more information.
Well, I need to amend this statement.When I first got the clock home, that lever on the left (located at the 9 position) was loose, kind of floppy.
After I wound the clock up, it became stiff.
Just picked up one of these recently. Did you ever find out the model name or number?Hi, i bought this Junghans Mantle clock B11 / 151 from an auction a while back, 2008, and finally got around to take some pictures whilst cleaning the outside.
Since only having it such a short "time" can you please provide some history background on where this clock started out. Any information appreciated, thanks.
On the bottom there is an 18
On the door-inside there is 5699 and 60/-
Movement B11 with 151.
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Junghans had what was first an assembly plant, going back to 1878, then by the turn of the century, a manufacturing facility in Venice which, after various name changes, became the Fabbrica d'Orologeria Arturo Junghans Venezia (Giudecca). Curtesy Doug Stevenson.I know that, since 1903, Junghans had a huge production plant in Venice ( perhaps that is the reason for letter V after the code).
These date codes have been documented. Date codes for the year 1929 most likely used the "two digit year [space] one or two digit month" protocol for the months of January 1929 through May 1929, inclusive.Based on the table posted in this thread, the clocks produced in 1929 were marked with the code year/month of production (i.e. 29 7 or 29 8), but in your table, for the 1929 year, I read codes from june to december only.
I am not sure. This is the first that I have seen this.And what does the letter V mean?
Here is an advertisement from Junghans Italy. Curtesy Doug StevensonJunghans had what was first an assembly plant, going back to 1878, then by the turn of the century, a manufacturing facility in Venice which, after various name changes, became the Fabbrica d'Orologeria Arturo Junghans Venezia (Giudecca). Curtesy Doug Stevenson.
Assuming they were reversing date numbers at this point, I would say 1936.
Thanks for posting the better photos. I don't see any date identification at all.
Thank you JTD.Thanks for posting the better photos. I don't see any date identification at all.
The design looks like late 1930s but I think this style may have continued a while, so I will hedge my bets and stick with my original thought that it is either just pre- or just post-war.
As JTD noted, the W in W63 stands for werke and is the manner that Junghans labeled their movement numbers. The documented dating protocol for the production year 1936 would be "two digit year [space] two digit month" or, for example, "36 10".Assuming they were reversing date numbers at this point, I would say 1936.
Welcome to the forum.Any clues about the year it was made?
Hi New2clocks.As JTD noted, the W in W63 stands for werke and is the manner that Junghans labeled their movement numbers. The documented dating protocol for the production year 1936 would be "two digit year [space] two digit month" or, for example, "36 10".
Welcome to the forum.
The W63 movement is actually a movement of Hamburg American Clock ("HAC / HAU"), a German company that was taken over by Junghans in 1930. There was a collaboration between Junghans and HAC in the late 1920s prior to the acquisition. So this would put your movement at no earlier than 1928 or so.
It appears that the trademark on the movement ends in "berg", which is most likely the end of the word "Württemberg". This could help narrowing date coding of the clock.
Also, there appears to be something inscribed on the movement near the trademark. This could be the date code for which we are seeking. Unfortunately, it is located behind the strike hammers. Please look and let us know what you see or provide a picture without the hammer as a block.
Not necessarily.Does this mean that it is post 50's?
According to mikrolisk, Junghans had three trademarks as shown on the label of the OP's clock, sans the "Original Junghans", and all were from circa 1917 / 1918. The clocks on all three of the trademarks were showing the time of 1:28.Do the hands in the logo being at 1:28 have any significance or is that their regular logo?
I haven´t found anything. When I bought it the bell sound wouldn´t work so I took apart the movement but I didn´t see any date code as the one you mentioned.Not necessarily.
Here is a picture of a W63 movement that was previously posted on the forum. This W63 has the HAC trademark of the crossed arrows. In the upper left corner of the backplate, there is a barely legible inscription (upside down) that reads "7,30". The inscription was identified as representing a manufacture date of July, 1930. This has been identified as a Junghans date code that was applied to an HAC movement, which makes sense since it would be at the time or after the time Junghans purchased HAC.
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The pictures you provided do not allow us to inspect that area (or other areas) of the movement for that type of barely discernable date code. Is it possible to provide more detailed pictures or let us know what you found?
Hi Anthony.Hi Torpedo353,
I am new to clocks as well. Regarding your clock it is likely somewhere around 1930 as it appears in the Junghans catalogue from 1930 available at the Junghans archive. It is identified by the model number 17 425 which you can see on the base of the clock case. a link to the archive is given below. Just look for the model number 17 425 in the catalogue.
Welcome to the forum.Hello,
Inherited this clock from grand mother. It lived it’s life at a farm in the Danish countryside outside Randers. I’d appreciate anything you can tell me about it and maybe the best way to removed the paint on the case.It doesn’t seem as elegant as most of the others posted here- face and pendulum seem hand painted instead of ceramic, there’s no mark on the movement and it has bits of wiring all over it, the chime looks basic. Elements of it look similar to other clocks like the face on the finial and the overall look of the case- I found the original wood stain under chime. The case is falling apart and lots of bits missing. Let me know what you think. Thanks in advance.
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Hi everybody,Dear Members and Forumers,
this is my first post.
I like very much this thread and I would like to give my small contribution.
I've got my first Junghans clock some months ago.
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It is a very ordinary '20s clock (I saw many other not branded ones, here in Italy, with an identical mechanism).
On the rear plate I can read the datecode: A29.V
Whereas 104 1/2 is the beatrate (104,75 BPM).
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What's your idea?
Does it mean that it was produced in 1929?
And what does the letter V mean?
This code is slightly puzzling me.
Based on the table posted in this thread, the clocks produced in 1929 were marked with the code year/month of production (i.e. 29 7 or 29 8), but in your table, for the 1929 year, I read codes from june to december only.
Could be an hypothesis that the year/month code is only worth the second half of the year? Or maybe was the code different for US market clocks?
In any case, I guess that my clock was produced in Italy.
I know that, since 1903, Junghans had a huge production plant in Venice ( perhaps that is the reason for letter V after the code).
The Junghans plant in Venice, which is more or less in the middle of the island of Giudecca, white, curved, with huge windows, was once the largest watch factory in the world, with a peak output of 1,500 units a day.
I hope that these info are interesting for you, and that my humble clock is adding a few small data to the collection of this thread.