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Discussion in 'General Clock Discussions' started by any400day, Dec 2, 2008.
I'm not sure what kind of clock it is. It seems to be very similar to Junghans styles, but I am not able to locate any markings whatsoever.
That's another reason for not posting your enquiry in this thread. I hope a moderator will move it for you soon.
Took delivery of this old bracket clock I bought six months ago maybe. Getting ready to tear it down. But the first hurdle is acquiring the proper pendulum. I'd like to keep it original as possible. So far, I haven't found a pendulum.
But some questions arise. It's a B13, and as I understand the 140 on the bottom right of the movement indicates pendulum length. But that can't happen in this clock as there is no room for a pendulum that long. The pendulum leader is about 140? Is that where the number comes in?
Here's a couple pictures. Someone has also inscribed "EW1267". Wonder what that is.
The second picture is shown with a Hermle pendulum which is the only one short enough not to drag the bottom of the case, and two others I tried, which are too long.
As you may know, B13 indicates that the clock was made in the second half of the year 1913.
Consider that the 140, if pendulum length, might be in mm, thus about 5.5". Otherwise, possibly it is BPM.
Thanks guys, I knew about the age, and should have indicated mm in the 140 measurement. But with that, there is not more than 3 3/4" from the bottom of the leader to the bottom of the case. The leader measures close to 140. Maybe that's where the 140 comes in?
This is not my first Jungians clock, but is my most interesting.
A friend has identified this as a marine lever clock probably made with equipment brought back from the USA, and one of the earliest clocks that they made. It is very similar to Waterbury clocks that I can see on the internet.
The brass has aged well, brass pinions all intact.
Interesting swivel pegs to hold the glass within the bezel.
Hope you like the pictures.
Hello everyone. This is my first Junghans clock. I bought it yesterday for $100.00 bucks at a consignment shop in Asheboro N.C. It seems to run pretty good and is keeping good time so far. I have attached several pictures below. Hopefully I have posted enough pictures. So maybe someone can give me a little history. The wood and works seems to be in really good shape. Although the the works need a bit of cleaning. It has a ting tang strike and to be honest. It sounds a weeee bit sick. The rods may need a good cleaning. The only way I can explain it. Is the Ting sounds a bit out of tune with the tang strike. If that makes any sense. I look forward to receiving a little bit of feedback and thoughts from you guys. Thanks in advance.
The numbers "39 9" indicate the movement was made in September 1939. the other numbers:
187 = beats per minute
35 = number of teeth of the escape wheel
83 = the pendulum length in millimeters.
I don't think cleaning the gong rods will make much difference (they look fairly clean to me, anyway). I am a little unsure what you feel is not right with the sound but usually improvements can be made by adjusting the hammers just a little. Make sure that when the have struck the gong rod, each hammer moves back just a little, so that they don't muffle the sound. Also, you can adjust the hammer head itself so that it strikes at a slightly different angle. It is just a matter of trial and error and fiddling with the hammers until you are happy or at least happier.
And bear in mind that some gongs didn't sound all that great when they were new.............although Junghans were generally pretty good in that respect.
It's an attractive clock, with a very pretty case and looks in good condition. As Steven has told you, it was made in the very month and year the war broke out.
Thank you Mr. Steven for the information! I would not have guessed that this ole girl was pushing 80 years old! The case/wood is in such good shape . I figured she was made in the 60s Or later!
JTD, I have an update on the strike rods sounding off. I took the rods out and discovered that a previous owner attempted to repair 3 of the 5 rods. Those 3 rods had new solder and that is what is effecting the sound. Luckly......The rods are screw in type.....So I am thinking I may replace all the rods.
I guess that this clock may have been one of the last clocks made before Junghans retooled for the war effort. That makes it even more special to me!
Yes, that would certainly affect the tone of the sound. Replacing the rods would likely be the best route to go.
This Jenghans wall clock has been in my family before I was born 1954 I’d love to find out how old it actually is since I’m the last living member of my family and I never bothered to ask before It’s currently awaiting service Thanks Richie G.
Here’s a few pictures of the movement
This is my advertising junghans watch marked B05.
That’s a beautiful clock I’m trying to find out what year my clock was made Thanks for sharing that picture
Does your movement have a date code on the back of the movement, such as the date code on Kayge's movement (which is B05)? Based on the picture you provided, I do not see a date code.
The trademark on your movement - "Unghans over a "J" inside an eight pointed star" - was registered in 1890, according to Mikrolisk.de. Junghans started date coding their movements in 1901, as best we know. So it is reasonable to assume your clock was made between 1890 and 1901.
The style of your clock is known as a "free swinger". This style was popular beginning around 1900 or so. Therefore, assuming that your movement has no date code, I would say your clock is circa 1900.
Kenneth, welcome to the board.
Your clock was made in the second half of the year 1905.
I just bought a Junghuns clock. It says A31 on the movement does anyone have a range of dates as to when it could of been made?
Welcome to the board, Peter.
Your Junghans clock was made in 1931.
It is interesting that the name of the seller was written on the clock dial as Rabinek Dezsö (rövid ö) and not DEZSÕ (hosszú). Perhaps Junghans' printer could not manage the strange 'foreign' letter Õ!
Rabinek was at the same address in Nagykanizsa for quite a long time, even after the street was renamed Horthy Miklós-ut,, then in 1932 he moved to Erzsébet tér.
If you go to www.holmi.nagykar.hu/irasok/4278/1.html you can read all about the shops in Kazinczy utca and even see an advert from Rabinek and a picture of your exact same clock!!
This is a friend of mines Junghans. Needs some work but looks nice. A42 110 on back of movement. Early 1924.
Any idea if the 2 brackets coming from the back of the movement to a treaded hole in the chime block is original?
Looking for someone to work on it in the Syracuse, NY area, if you know anyone? It is beyond my abilities for now.
Not exactly what you're talking about with the 2 brackets, but I don't see anything on this clock that's not original.
The 2 brackets show up in the picture of the full clock at the top over the dial. They look like they were added to support the movement in the case. Each bracket is different also, made of 2 1/8" thick strips of metal.
Got it. I was concentrating on the movement itself. Took the liberty to "enhance" the picture to show this a little better. Looks to me like the brackets could be at the front of the case extending up from the dial. And it looks to me like they are added after, to stabilize it, maybe? Not sure why.
Added later......Then again, these are probably your pictures? So, bad assumption on my part.
I took the movement out and the 2 brackets are attached to the 2 corner posts of the movement. Those 2 posts are longer to accommodate the extra nut for each post. This lead me to believe the brackets were supposed to be there. But they just do not look that well made or just an afterthought.
I do not have the clock any more or would send more pics.
Alex Here I have a similar clock.
I'm new to clocks, and you will undoubtedly be hearing from me in the future, bemoaning disasters or asking advice. I have just purchased this bracket clock, which the seller said is a Junghans that belonged to her father, a collector of German clocks. There is no mark on the movement--but I haven't yet removed the face of the clock to see the other side of the movement. The silvered dial is raised and slightly uneven, almost as if it were molded, not cut out of metal, and its numbers are pressed, embossed or stamped--whatever the correct term would be. Does anyone recognize this case and/or movement?
Nice clock. Curious about the thumbscrews on the bottom since the movement is screwed into the front board. Is there a bottom movement bracket?
Hi, Ronnie, thanks for responding. The mechanism is held in place by a steel bracket. I know there are folks on this forum who have access to the Junghans old catalogues and I'm hoping one of them will be able to help me date this. Assuming it is a Junghans. I tried to remove the face today, but it's screwed on so very tightly I'm doing to have to get a stronger little screwdriver to get the job done.
Yes, I see it now.
Okay...so I pick up this spring driven Janghans at a sale. It doesn't have the usual date marking. Only the trademark. Can anyone give me any information on this beauty?
See my post #9 in the thread, below:
Miniature Junghans Musical Chime Clock
I believe that this may be the first confirmed A26 posted on this forum.
As you can see, the old timer is needing some TLC. I bought it from local opportunity shop.
From what I can determine it chimes on the quarter hour. West Minster 4 note straight bar chime.
It had paint splatters on it which I have mostly cleaned up.
I need too do more for it.
Would be interested in more information on this “old timer”
I got in a bit of strife as I am currently unemployed. Just told the Misses....here are the images. Will post more when I get the chance...... if I survive the misses.... lol...
Clock has a beautiful Westminster chime.
Your clock has a Hamburg American ("HAC") movement in a case with a Junghans badge. As such, it was most likely manufactured after 1930, when Junghans purchased HAC.
The other possibility is that the clock is a marriage. I am not suggesting that it is a marriage, but the possibility exists, albeit a slim chance. Pictures of the interior of the clock (backboard, etc.) can confirm whether or not it is a marriage.
It is a very nice clock!
Here are some additional pictures. It is definitely A26 which from what I have been able to gather from this forum means that it was created in the first half of 1926.
Now I have found that when on a level surface that the clock with stop ticking but when inclined by 15 millimeters on the left side it will tick along happily. I noticed the pendulum arm is slightly bent which I am guessing may be the issue. I am going to try and find the replacement hand parts and winding key for the clock online.
Other advice on cleaning the clock face and or body to restore it would be appreciated.
The chime mechanism appears to stick/stall. Is this also a lubrication issue? I have some super lube machine oil. Which specifies it is designed for clocks. So I think it should be fine. I believe that I only need a drop at particular parts of the clock. Advice on this would also be appreciated.
Additional number stamped on the movement plate is 171. ( behind the pendulum)
Hi Ttraol, you have a nice clock, looks like a two train chimer, I personally haven't come across one yet. To get it in beat you will have to gently bend the pendulum crutch a bit to the left (the inclined side). You can read about beat setting by searching the forum.
You only want to oil the pivot holes where the pivots protrude, nothing else. Just one drop on each hole. Your clock looks like it could probably benefit from a good cleaning and some new bushings, the bushing holes will become elongated with wear. To do that you'd have to completely disassemble the clock and do much reading on this site before you even attempt it, the springs can be very dangerous.
Try a bit of oil on the pivots first and read up on beat setting and see where you go from there.
Any advice on finding someone to do a maintence check of this clock?
The NAWCC has chapters in Canada.
Click on the Canadian flag to find the chapter nearest to you.
You can contact them and request a reference of a repair person.
We also have quite a few Canadian colleagues who perform repair / maintenance work and who frequent the repair boards. If you post in the clock repair thread, you will get better exposure.
Thankyou for that, I have been reading up on beat setting. I am going to buy a set of keys for winding the clock. As I will need to buy more than one. Does any one want to buy a spare off me.?
They will be 5 pronged with key hole sizes of 4, 6, 8, 10, 12 mm and 5,7, 9, 11, 13mm.
I also have a wall clock as well. That appear to need a pendulum... will post on that later.
Is there any catalogue from the manufacturer that this mantle clock may appear in?
Identifikation of this Wall watch?
B32, 3450, 104 1/2.
Your clock was made in 1923 and used an Amerikaner style movement (cut out plates instead of solid plates). The movement looks dirty and worn around the mainspring arbors, so I'd suggest getting it cleaned and rebushed where necessary.
Your picture of the movement is upside down, so maybe ClockCollector misread the code. I checked again and it is B32, meaning second half of 1932.
I believe Clock Collector is correct.
As best we know (and for reasons unknown), Junghans reversed their date code protocol for the following date codes:
A32 B32 made in 1923
A42 B42 made in 1924
A52 B52 made in 1925
The A and B protocol remained the same.
Today I took out the main Mechanical body of the clock. It involved me first removing the chime rods.
I was correct in that the pendulum arm was slightly bent, also found that the pendulum slide was also bent as well. It was not as daunting as I first thoughtit might be.
Both have been corrected.
The missing minute hand still had the base part of the hand on the clock so I fashioned a temporary replacement out of a ice cream stick and used strong glue to adhere it to the base of what was left of the minute hand ( and letting it dry before putting back on the clock.
I cleaned the areas that I was able to and now I need to obtain a key for it.
I did not attempt to disassemble the main mechanics.
I did find additional markings which I have included images below.
1926 4 - which corresponds to the A26 being the first half of 1926. The “26” embossed into the timber juabove the 17/231 I am thinking further corroborates the creation of the box as 1926. I am guessing that the 4 indicates that the body was created in April. Does this sound right?
The other stamp. 17/231? I am open to speculation and or firm information on this.
The final stamp I can not make heads or tails of happy to be enlightened here.
I the back right hand corner someone has written 2765. I think this may be the quality check on the clock before sale?
The clock face appears to have been nailed into the front frame of the body at 4 points.
I hope that this information is of help to others.
After examining the inside of the clock body. I have not been able to observe additional markings.